Two Wallets? Nope.

[Martin Weidmann]

Huh?

Lance's "A sock puppet among us?" thread is still on the front page of this Forum, you can run Weidmann but you can't hide!

BTW where's Tom? 

JohnM

BTW where's Tom?

I suspect he's with Vincent Baxter

[John Mytton]

Simple question that you refuse to answer; Which officer is the source of this list?

Since you are incapable of comprehending my hints, the List comes from the Warren Commissions Exhibit 1990. And as for who wrote it I really don't care because all that's in the wallet is Oswald's stuff that I would expect to find in Oswald's wallet such as family photos, Military ID's, Library cards, Fair Play for Cuba cards, Social Security card and I'm guessing why you have a bug up your Ass is the Hidell ID, right?

Now let's examine the Hidell ID.

The Hidell ID was forensically analysed to be signed by Oswald, the template of the fake ID was found in Oswald's possessions and Oswald admitted to Rose that his "name" was Hidell.





Mr. ROSE. Well, the first thing I asked him was what his name was and he told me it was Hidell.
Mr. BALL. Did he tell you it was Hidell?
Mr. ROSE. Yes; he did.

And as for inserting Hidell into various official documents and a number of establishments, the task would be truly herculean. So give up your lame objections and just accept that Oswald's alias "Hidell" ordered the rifle and revolver.

The Hidell ID was manufactured by conspirators
The Hidell ID was planted by the Police
The Hidell ID negatives were manufactured by conspirators
The Hidell ID negatives were planted by conspirators in the Paine residence
The Hidell name was inserted by conspirators into the New Orleans post box application records.
The Hidell name was connected To Oswald's New Orleans Chapter of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee by conspirators.
The Hidell name was used as The "Chapter President" of Oswald's made up Cuba Committee by conspirators.
The Hidell name was forged by conspirators onto Oswald's "Fair Play for Cuba" leaflets
The Hidell name was written on membership cards by conspirators other than Marina, who must have lied.
The Hidell name was a play on "Fidel" according to Marina who must have lied
The Hidell name was forged onto the Klein's coupon
The Hidell Kleins coupon addressed to Oswald was forged onto the Klein's microfilm
The Hidell name was forged onto the Kleins envelope
The Hidell Kleins Envelope addressed to Oswald was forged onto the Kleins microfilm
The Hidell name on on the Kleins Coupon found by Waldman on the night following the assassination was forgotten?
The Hidell rifle was never sent to Oswald's PO box
The Hidell newly manufactured microfilm was substituted at some point with Kleins business records microfilm.
The Hidell ID was admitted by Oswald or Police lied
The Hidell ID was admitted by Oswald or a Postal official lied
The Hidell ID was asked of Oswald or an FBI agent lied
The Hidell name was forged onto Oswald Job applications as a reference
The Hidell rifle was photographed with Oswald by either forgery or trickery
The Hidell rifle was planted on the 6th floor of Oswald's work by conspirators
The Hidell revolver coupon was forged by conspirators
The Hidell name was forged onto the Seaport-Traders paperwork
The Hidell revolver was lied about by the Police
The Hidell revolver was substituted by Police
And on and on it goes!

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

Since you are incapable of comprehending my hints, the List comes from the Warren Commissions Exhibit 1990. And as for who wrote it I really don't care because all that's in the wallet is Oswald's stuff that I would expect to find in Oswald's wallet such as family photos, Military ID's, Library cards, Fair Play for Cuba cards, Social Security card and I'm guessing why you have a bug up your Ass is the Hidell ID, right?

Now let's examine the Hidell ID.

The Hidell ID was forensically analysed to be signed by Oswald, the template of the fake ID was found in Oswald's possessions and Oswald admitted to Rose that his "name" was Hidell.





Mr. ROSE. Well, the first thing I asked him was what his name was and he told me it was Hidell.
Mr. BALL. Did he tell you it was Hidell?
Mr. ROSE. Yes; he did.

And as for inserting Hidell into various official documents and a number of establishments, the task would be truly herculean. So give up your lame objections and just accept that Oswald's alias "Hidell" ordered the rifle and revolver.

The Hidell ID was manufactured by conspirators
The Hidell ID was planted by the Police
The Hidell ID negatives were manufactured by conspirators
The Hidell ID negatives were planted by conspirators in the Paine residence
The Hidell name was inserted by conspirators into the New Orleans post box application records.
The Hidell name was connected To Oswald's New Orleans Chapter of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee by conspirators.
The Hidell name was used as The "Chapter President" of Oswald's made up Cuba Committee by conspirators.
The Hidell name was forged by conspirators onto Oswald's "Fair Play for Cuba" leaflets
The Hidell name was written on membership cards by conspirators other than Marina, who must have lied.
The Hidell name was a play on "Fidel" according to Marina who must have lied
The Hidell name was forged onto the Klein's coupon
The Hidell Kleins coupon addressed to Oswald was forged onto the Klein's microfilm
The Hidell name was forged onto the Kleins envelope
The Hidell Kleins Envelope addressed to Oswald was forged onto the Kleins microfilm
The Hidell name on on the Kleins Coupon found by Waldman on the night following the assassination was forgotten?
The Hidell rifle was never sent to Oswald's PO box
The Hidell newly manufactured microfilm was substituted at some point with Kleins business records microfilm.
The Hidell ID was admitted by Oswald or Police lied
The Hidell ID was admitted by Oswald or a Postal official lied
The Hidell ID was asked of Oswald or an FBI agent lied
The Hidell name was forged onto Oswald Job applications as a reference
The Hidell rifle was photographed with Oswald by either forgery or trickery
The Hidell rifle was planted on the 6th floor of Oswald's work by conspirators
The Hidell revolver coupon was forged by conspirators
The Hidell name was forged onto the Seaport-Traders paperwork
The Hidell revolver was lied about by the Police
The Hidell revolver was substituted by Police
And on and on it goes!

JohnM

Since you are incapable of comprehending my hints, the List comes from the Warren Commissions Exhibit 1990.

Well, if it is in your bible, it must be true, right? 

And as for who wrote it I really don't care

Of course you don't care. The origin of evidence is just an incovenient detail, as long as it fits your biased narrative.

[John Mytton]

Since you are incapable of comprehending my hints, the List comes from the Warren Commissions Exhibit 1990.

Well, if it is in your bible, it must be true, right? 

And as for who wrote it I really don't care

Of course you don't care. The origin of evidence is just an incovenient detail, as long as it fits your biased narrative.

..fits your biased narrative.

Hilarious, the only person here with a clear bias is you, it doesn't matter what the evidence against Oswald is, you always manufacture and embarrass yourself with non-existent flaws, and here we have Oswald's wallet which doesn't have a single problem;

Oswald's Social Security Card, every American citizen has access to a social security number and access to a Social security card.
Oswald's military ID's, Oswald was provably in the military.
Oswald's family photos, Oswald provably had a family.
Oswald's Cuba cards, Oswald signed the "Fair play for Cuba" card and Oswald is on film handing out Hands off Cuba leaflets and had a stack of Cuba and Fidel related material in his possessions.
Oswald's library card, Oswald borrowed and allegedly read books.
Oswald's fake Hidell ID, in Oswald's possessions was the template for this Fake ID, Oswald signed the fake ID, Oswald said his name was Hidell to Officer Rose, Oswald ordered his rifle back in March with the name Hidell, Oswald ordered the revolver back in March with the Hidell alias, Oswald paid for the rifle back in March with the fake Hidell alias.

Of course you don't care.

Knowing that everything in Oswald's wallet was irrefutably connected to Oswald, give me a reason to care?

JohnM

[Michael Capasse]

Dallas Police Officers, Guy Rose, and Richard Stovall, along with FBI Agent, Manning Clements,
all handled the Oswald IDs. Rose and Stovall met together with Lee, but are in dispute about the wallet,
Stovall says he had the wallet; Rose said he didn't. 

Rose:
"He had already been searched and someone had his billfold.
I don't know whether it was the patrolman who brought him in that had it or not."

Mr. BALL. And the contents of the billfold supposedly were before you?
Mr. ROSE. Yes.

Stovall:
"I don't recall exactly--
I went in and asked him for his identification, asked him who he was and he said his name was Lee Oswald,
as well as I remember. Rose and I were both in there at the time. He had his billfold and in it he had the
identification of "A. Hidell," which was on a selective service card, as well as I remember."

Stovall said he told them his name was Lee Oswald, Rose said he claimed to be Hidell.

Mr. BALL. Now, when he first came in there--you said that he said his name was "Hidell"?
Mr. ROSE. Yes.

Mr. BALL. Was that before you saw the two cards?
Mr. ROSE. Yes; it was.

Mr. BALL. Did he give you his first name?
Mr. ROSE. He just said "Hidell"; I remember he just gave me the last name of "Hidell".

Mr. BALL. And then you found two or three cards on him?
Mr. ROSE. Yes; we did.

It was key to separate the contents; thereby disconnecting it to any other wallet.

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Inventory Control
I'm not sure where I got this from, but it breaks down the inventory reports of the wallet;

Rose and Stovall first said they "obtained" his ID (24H292).
In testimony, Stoval said Oswald had his billfold at the 1st interrogation (7H187-88)
while Rose said Lee had the contents of the billfold but not the billfold itself (7H228).

When FBI agent Clements saw Lee in the interrogation room by himself at 10 that night,
the wallet was on a desk in the room (7H320). While Lee was out of the room,
Clements went through the wallet and listed its contents (H 615-17).

On 11/24/63, Fritz furnished the FBI with Photos "of all the articles contained in the wallet of"
Lee Oswald at time of arrest. These were apparently given to Bookhout, whose report lists 17 items (24H17).

A receipt executed by Hosty, which reads (24H347):
"Received from Capt. Will Fritz at approximately 1:00 a.m. on 11/27/63"
"Billfold and 16 cards and pictures taken from Lee Harvey Oswald on 11/22/63"

The maximum number of items (excluding the cash) is 17 (24H17).
Hosty's receipt lists only 16 items.
SA Clements lists 13 plus the cash, plus Lee's Social Sec. card which Lee "had...in possession."

Comparing the Clements list (H 615-17) with the Bookhout list of the photos Fritz supplied,
The following items are absent from Clements:

1. Photo of Oswald in marine uniform
2. A.J. Hidell Certificate of Service
3. slip of paper with 2 addresses for The Worker

FBI Agent Hosty also confirms this wallet was found at the scene.
Patrolman Leonard Jez, told a conference in 1999 that the wallet was identified at the murder scene as belonging to Oswald.
Yet the Hidell ID does not appear documented by Clements until Fritz hands over the inventory on 11/27.

That service card is key, and ties the murder weapon of the President with the officer's killer.
But it's all very suspicious, instant like, when Belin asked Hill about the name Hidell, the SGT became coy,
like he "couldn't say specifically", "...sounds like the name". That became the act by April 08, 1964.

Mr. HILL. "That would be similar. I couldn't say specifically that is what it was,
because this was a conversation and I never did see it written down, but that sounds like the name that I heard."

https://jfk.boards.net/post/4558/thread

[John Mytton]

BTW where's Tom?

I suspect he's with Vincent Baxter

I sent Tom a PM and when he replies, I'll fill you in if he's with Vincent! 

JohnM

[John Mytton]

Dallas Police Officers, Guy Rose, and Richard Stovall, along with FBI Agent, Manning Clements,
all handled the Oswald IDs. Rose and Stovall met together with Lee, but are in dispute about the wallet,
Stovall says he had the wallet; Rose said he didn't. 

Rose:
"He had already been searched and someone had his billfold.
I don't know whether it was the patrolman who brought him in that had it or not."

Mr. BALL. And the contents of the billfold supposedly were before you?
Mr. ROSE. Yes.

Stovall:
"I don't recall exactly--
I went in and asked him for his identification, asked him who he was and he said his name was Lee Oswald,
as well as I remember. Rose and I were both in there at the time. He had his billfold and in it he had the
identification of "A. Hidell," which was on a selective service card, as well as I remember."

Stovall said he told them his name was Lee Oswald, Rose said he claimed to be Hidell.

Mr. BALL. Now, when he first came in there--you said that he said his name was "Hidell"?
Mr. ROSE. Yes.

Mr. BALL. Was that before you saw the two cards?
Mr. ROSE. Yes; it was.

Mr. BALL. Did he give you his first name?
Mr. ROSE. He just said "Hidell"; I remember he just gave me the last name of "Hidell".

Mr. BALL. And then you found two or three cards on him?
Mr. ROSE. Yes; we did.

It was key to separate the contents; thereby disconnecting it to any other wallet.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Inventory Control
I'm not sure where I got this from, but it breaks down the inventory reports of the wallet;

Rose and Stovall first said they "obtained" his ID (24H292).
In testimony, Stoval said Oswald had his billfold at the 1st interrogation (7H187-88)
while Rose said Lee had the contents of the billfold but not the billfold itself (7H228).

When FBI agent Clements saw Lee in the interrogation room by himself at 10 that night,
the wallet was on a desk in the room (7H320). While Lee was out of the room,
Clements went through the wallet and listed its contents (H 615-17).

On 11/24/63, Fritz furnished the FBI with Photos "of all the articles contained in the wallet of"
Lee Oswald at time of arrest. These were apparently given to Bookhout, whose report lists 17 items (24H17).

A receipt executed by Hosty, which reads (24H347):
"Received from Capt. Will Fritz at approximately 1:00 a.m. on 11/27/63"
"Billfold and 16 cards and pictures taken from Lee Harvey Oswald on 11/22/63"

The maximum number of items (excluding the cash) is 17 (24H17).
Hosty's receipt lists only 16 items.
SA Clements lists 13 plus the cash, plus Lee's Social Sec. card which Lee "had...in possession."

Comparing the Clements list (H 615-17) with the Bookhout list of the photos Fritz supplied,
The following items are absent from Clements:

1. Photo of Oswald in marine uniform
2. A.J. Hidell Certificate of Service
3. slip of paper with 2 addresses for The Worker

FBI Agent Hosty also confirms this wallet was found at the scene.
Patrolman Leonard Jez, told a conference in 1999 that the wallet was identified at the murder scene as belonging to Oswald.
Yet the Hidell ID does not appear documented by Clements until Fritz hands over the inventory on 11/27.

That service card is key, and ties the murder weapon of the President with the officer's killer.
But it's all very suspicious, instant like, when Belin asked Hill about the name Hidell, the SGT became coy,
like he "couldn't say specifically", "...sounds like the name". That became the act by April 08, 1964.

Mr. HILL. "That would be similar. I couldn't say specifically that is what it was,
because this was a conversation and I never did see it written down, but that sounds like the name that I heard."

 
Lame.
More unproven Conspiracy garbage.

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

Hilarious, the only person here with a clear bias is you, it doesn't matter what the evidence against Oswald is, you always manufacture and embarrass yourself with non-existent flaws, and here we have Oswald's wallet which doesn't have a single problem;

Oswald's Social Security Card, every American citizen has access to a social security number and access to a Social security card.
Oswald's military ID's, Oswald was provably in the military.
Oswald's family photos, Oswald provably had a family.
Oswald's Cuba cards, Oswald signed the "Fair play for Cuba" card and Oswald is on film handing out Hands off Cuba leaflets and had a stack of Cuba and Fidel related material in his possessions.
Oswald's library card, Oswald borrowed and allegedly read books.
Oswald's fake Hidell ID, in Oswald's possessions was the template for this Fake ID, Oswald signed the fake ID, Oswald said his name was Hidell to Officer Rose, Oswald ordered his rifle back in March with the name Hidell, Oswald ordered the revolver back in March with the Hidell alias, Oswald paid for the rifle back in March with the fake Hidell alias.

Knowing that everything in Oswald's wallet was irrefutably connected to Oswald, give me a reason to care?

JohnM

Hilarious, the only person here with a clear bias is you, it doesn't matter what the evidence against Oswald is,

Pathetic.

But let's see how unbiased you really are; name one piece of evidence used by the WC that is dubious.

I have already agreed that Oswald's quick departure from the TSBD works against him and that the BY photos are most likely authentic.

you always manufacture and embarrass yourself with non-existent flaws

What exactly have I manufactured? For once try to answer a question in a normal manner and be precise.