Two Wallets? Nope.

[John Mytton]

T. L. Baker also said in his report that Boyd discovered the five shells, how deep does the Capasse/Sorenson's fantasy go?? Hahaha!



JohnM

[Michael Capasse]

T. L. Baker also said in his report that Boyd discovered the five shells, how deep does the Capasse/Sorenson's fantasy go?? Hahaha!

JohnM

  Yet, there were no bullets in his pocket when searched earlier.
Poor Mytton. He has to make stuff up.

[John Mytton]

John Mytton makes up excuses then casts lame straw man arguments. JR Malley, Paul Bentley, & Capt. Fritz.
No bullets in his pocket when arrested. Uh-Oh !

For a start learn what a strawman is before you embarrass yourself even further.

Anyway your post is unintentionally hilarious, Malley and Fritz weren't even there and show me where Paul Bentley says he gave a full body search of Oswald??

Hill says that Bentley while sitting sideways in the cramped backseat, just reached in Oswald's pocket and grabbed his Billfold and Hill was there and provided testimony! NO mention of a full body search of Oswald who was BTW not a threat and bound in handcuffs.

Mr. BELIN. Was he asked where he lived?
Mr. HILL. That was the second question that was asked the suspect, and he didn't answer it, either.
About the time I got through with the radio transmission, I asked Paul Bentley, "Why don't you see if he has any identification."
Paul was sitting sort of sideways in the seat, and with his right hand he reached down and felt of the suspect's left hip pocket and said, "Yes, he has a billfold," and took it out.

Mr. BELIN. Was he ever asked again where he lived, up to the time you got to the station?
Mr. HILL. No; I don't believe so, because when Bentley got the identification out, we had two different addresses. We had two different names, and the comment was made, "I guess we are going to have to wait until we get to the station to find out who he actually is."
After about the time Bentley reached in his pocket and got his billfold, the suspect made the statement, "I don't know why you are treating me like this. The only thing I have done is carry a pistol in a movie."
Then there was a remark made something to the effect, "Yes, sir; you have done a lot more. You have killed a policeman."
And then the suspect made a remark similar to "Well, you fry for that," or something to that effect.

The first proper FULL search was by Boyd, read it and weep!

Mr. BALL. Before you went into the showup, did you search Oswald?
Mr. BOYD. Yes; I did.
Mr. BALL. And what did you find?
Mr. BOYD. I found five .38 shells, I believe it was five.
Mr. BALL. Live? Live shells?
Mr. BOYD. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. What did you do with them?
Mr. BOYD. Well, I put them in an envelope and put them with the rest of the property up there to be turned in.
Mr. BALL. Did you put any mark on them?
Mr. BOYD. Let me see I can look and see.
Mr. BALL. I will show you Commission Exhibit 592 in an envelope, will you take a look at that--at the cartridges?
Mr. BOYD. Yes---I got my mark on them.
Mr. BALL. You have your mark on all five of them?
Mr. BOYD. I have my mark on the first three---yes, sir---I have my mark on all of them.
Mr. BALL. On all five of them?
Mr. BOYD. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. You put those marks on there, did you?
Mr. BOYD. Yes, I did.
Mr. BALL. Now, looking those cartridges over, can you tell me whether these five cartridges, which constitute Commission Exhibit 592, are the cartridges which you took from Oswald?
Mr. BOYD. Yes; they are.

So Michael, all you've got is some weak hearsay which doesn't say what you want and I keep presenting powerful solid evidence after solid evidence, like Hill and Boyd and Baker, real testimony and reports, whereas you got zero, zilch, nothing.

As I said you are not very good at this and you keep relying on crappy misinterpreted evidence and assumptions, while I give you the real stuff straight from the horses mouth!

PS you keep avoiding the obvious, why would the Dallas Police who you accuse of being heroes and villains in the same breath, plant bullets on a fully searched Oswald, your needlessly paranoid conspiracy narrative as usual has more holes than swiss cheese!

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

Weidmann's two wallet shenanigans is the most stupid CT theory I have ever read, why manufacture and introduce a second wallet and then stupidly hide this powerful link to a man you're trying to set-up? Especially when it's customary for a man and in this case Oswald to have his wallet on his person, which funnily enough is EXACTLY what happened. It's just another CT wet dream because after 60+ years they have NOTHING besides distant decades old memories, it's actually quite pathetic!

Anyway, I looked into the wallet being Tippit's notebook and this is my conclusions.

1) I couldn't find any trace of Tippit's notebook in the archives. But I did find what the Dallas Police used as their inventory notebook.



2) Also, I did find these Police Notebooks from roughly the same time period and in each case they are quite long and one is measured to be 9 inches.







3) While not conclusive, the object in the footage IMO is a bit small to be a notebook, and the white section within the object appears to be credit card sized. The object also seems to be flexible as it bends while being moved.



4) This wallet from 1963 has the same configuration and as seen above, the suited man runs his finger across, which corresponds with the orientation of someone's I.D. within the wallet.



My theory based on the cops movements with the revolver as he has no worries about pointing the gun at the suited man's hand but very quickly withdraws it when giving back the wallet to a civilian. And also of note is that Callaway takes the revolver from the squad car and goes looking for Oswald and obviously when he returns his actions would need some serious explanation and I reckon he was asked for his ID and simply handed over his wallet which had his ID at the front of the plastic sleaves.

Mr. BALL. The pistol was out of the holster?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir; out of the holster, and it was unsnapped. It was on his right side. He was laying with the gun under him.
Mr. BALL. What did you do?
Mr. CALLAWAY. I picked the gun up and laid it on the hood of the squad car, and then someone put it in the front seat of the squad car. Then after I helped load Officer Tippit in the ambulance, I got the gun out of the car and told this cabdriver, I said, "You saw the guy didn't you?" He said, yes.
I said, "If he is going up Jefferson, he can't be very far. Let's see if we can find him." So I went with Scoggins in the taxicab,....

BTW, the fact that the name wasn't broadcast is further proof that there was no wallet that was dropped by a potential murderer at the scene. Any cop would come to the conclusion that a wallet would have been dropped by Tippit's killer as Tippit asked for the man to show his I.D.!

It's all a wishful CT fantasy which doesn't even stand up to the slightest scrutiny.

JohnM

Weidmann's two wallet shenanigans is the most stupid CT theory I have ever read,

It is not my problem if it goes way over your head.

But thank you for confirming that in your opinion it isn't a notebook that we see in the footage.

BTW, the fact that the name wasn't broadcast is further proof that there was no wallet that was dropped by a potential murderer at the scene.

Sometimes I find it amazing and beyond belief what you consider to be "proof", when it is, of course, no such thing.

Any cop would come to the conclusion that a wallet would have been dropped by Tippit's killer as Tippit asked for the man to show his I.D.!

Really? ... In your modest opinion, of course, right?

[Martin Weidmann]

The evidence is decades old memories, the film as I explained is worthless and an alternate narrative has to make sense, and so far not one CT has come forward with a logical narrative that fits.
But let me try to figure this out for you, the conspirators somehow had E.S.P. that Oswald would have no alibi and be in the immediate vicinity, so they killed an innocent cop and dropped a wallet to link Oswald to the crime but the initial dumbass cops don't make the connection and for several decades kept the wallet discovery to themselves?? Even if I try and knowing all your facts, I still can't provide a decent narrative and I guess that's why the CT's keep their stupid theories to themselves!

JohnM

No, on the same day the shooting happened, the TV crew confirmed it was a wallet that the officer was looking at.
The film is only worthless to you, because you don't like what it shows.
Barrett seems to have no memory problems in the interview.

But let me try to figure this out for you, the conspirators somehow had E.S.P. that Oswald would have no alibi and be in the immediate vicinity, so they killed an innocent cop and dropped a wallet to link Oswald to the crime but the initial dumbass cops don't make the connection and for several decades kept the wallet discovery to themselves?? Even if I try and knowing all your facts, I still can't provide a decent narrative and I guess that's why the CT's keep their stupid theories to themselves!

please never ever try to figure something out. You're not very good at it.

[Martin Weidmann]

So almost a dozen civilians would send an innocent man to certain death, seriously? Could you be tricked into giving false evidence?

Unbelievable, just give it up Michael/Tom, your argument is worthless and has failed!

McDonald took the revolver from Oswald.
McDonald gave the revolver to Carroll.
Carroll gave the revolver to Hill.
Hill kept the revolver on his person till he put his name on it.

Mr. BELIN. Did you keep that gun in your possession until you scratched your name on it?
Mr. HILL. Yes, sir; I did.

Oswald ordered the revolver in the name of his alias, Alek Hidell.



Oswald's application for PO Box 2915



Oswald ordered the revolver, to PO Box, 2915



Seaport sent the revolver to Oswald's PO Box, 2915



The shipping company was Railway Express, PO Box 2915



In Oswald's possessions was a revolver holster.




Multiple eyewitnesses saw Oswald shake the revolver shells from the revolver.

When the police arrived Ishowed [sic] one of them where I saw this man emptying his gun and we found a shell.
Barbara Jeanette Davis, Affidavit

The man that was unloading the gun was the same man I saw tonight as number 2 man in a line up.
Mrs. Virginia Davis, Affidavit

Mr. BELIN - What else did you see?
Mr. BENAVIDES - Then I seen the man turn and walk back to the sidewalk and go on the sidewalk and he walked maybe 5 foot and then kind of stalled. He didn't exactly stop. And he threw one shell and must have took five or six more steps and threw the other shell up, and then he kind of stepped up to a pretty good trot going around the corner.

The revolver shells recovered from the murder scene were exclusively matched to Oswald's revolver.

Mr. EISENBERG. Did you examine the cartridge cases in Exhibit 594 in an attempt to determine whether they had been fired in Exhibit 143, the revolver, to the exclusion of all other revolvers?
Mr. CUNNINGHAM. I did.
Mr. EISENBERG. Can you tell us your conclusion?
Mr. CUNNINGHAM. As a result of my examination, it is my opinion that those four cartridge eases, Commission Exhibit 594, were fired in the revolver, Commission Exhibit 143, to the exclusion of all other weapons.




BTW, as I said, you are hopeless at this, try another hobby where you don't have to apply deductive reasoning. 

JohnM

So almost a dozen civilians would send an innocent man to certain death, seriously? Could you be tricked into giving false evidence?

If you don't understand that everybody can be manipulated in some way, then you shouldn't be having this kind of conversation.

Do you seriously believe that it has never happened that an innocent man was jailed for life or even given the death penalty on the basis of unreliable witness testimony?

Ever heard of Rubin Carter?

[John Iacoletti]

This is very simple.  Any wallet found discarded at the scene of a police shooting would be suspicious and likely linked to the murder.  Ironically, even CTers accept this by implication by suggesting it was planted exactly for that purpose.  The police would immediately have radioed in the identity of any persons associated with such a wallet as a potential suspect.  We know that didn't happen.  That tells us what they were not looking at.  Any wallet found at the scene.   What exactly it is then narrows down to Tippit's citation book or the wallet of some witness.  Of those two, it seems much more likely that they would look through it in that manner as Tippit's citation book.  A witness likely just shows them their ID instead of handing it to the police to flip through.   Does anyone know if and where Tippit's citation book for writing tickets was found or left?  I assume it would still be in his car after his murder.

Like "Richard" knows what the police would "immediately do" or what is "likely".