Two Wallets? Nope.

[Bill Brown]

In this video of the wallet at the Tippit crime scene, it appears the cop with the wallet is randomly waving his gun and without a care even has it aimed close to the hand of the detective who is pointing something out within the wallet and then when the cop hands over the wallet, he quickly points the gun away and more towards himself.
The most likely scenario imo is that the wallet was being looked at legitimately and also as a bit of a show for the TV camera and thus the cop is a bit flippant with the direction of his gun but when the civilian is given his wallet back, the cop responds correctly by diverting the aim of the gun and away from the direction of this civilian.



BTW, I posted this theory on the old Forum and Gary Mack who became a wise wizard, sent me a PM endorsing my theory.

JohnM

John, I agree with you, 100%.

[Richard Smith]

What also doesn't make sense is that none of the reports from 11/22/63 mentioned the Hidell ID being in the contents of Oswald's wallet. As someone noted earlier on this topic, officer Bentley didn't mention the Hiddell ID when he went on TV that day and described the contents of Oswald's wallet. The whole thing is peculiar.

The film footage and photo from the Tippit crime scene indirectly corroborates the FBI agent's (Barrett?) claim about Oswald's wallet being found before he was arrested (assuming the wallet in the film footage wasn't Tippit's).

What explains the discrepancy? I don't know.

Here's an article from 2013 on the two wallets mystery:

Wallet mystery from Officer Tippit's murder settled after 50 years

DALLAS No other crimes have been more analyzed or scrutinized than what happened in Dallas a half-century ago.

'It's been picked apart for decades,' said Farris Rookstool III, JFK historian and former FBI analyst, 'but the tragedy of this is no one has ever taken the due diligence of time to really put these pieces together until now.'

After five decades, Rookstool is sharing the strongest evidence yet that Lee Harvey Oswald murdered Dallas police Officer J.D. Tippit.

'The wallet puts him definitively at the scene of the crime,' Rookstool said.

Oswald's wallet has been a persistent mystery in recent years one Rookstool started studying. The mysterious billfold first appeared on WFAA in the afternoon of November 22, 1963.

WFAA program director Jay Watson, anchoring live coverage of the assassination, asked Channel 8 photographer Ron Reiland to join him on set and discuss film that Reiland just shot on the Oak Cliff street where Tippit was slain.

'Let's roll the film and we'll narrate it as we go,' Watson said on air.

Reiland, describing each scene to Watson, presumed the wallet seen on the film belonged to Officer Tippit.

'There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that this is Oswald's wallet,' Rookstool said.

So, Rookstool set out to prove it.

He compared the Channel 8 black-and-white film to Oswald's actual wallet in the National Archives. On each of them, circular snaps are visible, along with metal strips and perhaps the biggest similarity a zipper over the cash compartment.

Oswald's wallet is a different color and has different characteristics than Tippit's.

This month, for the first time, Marie Tippit shared her late husband's wallet with WFAA. Tippit's is black, has a different style snap no metal bar like Oswald's and does not have a zipper over the cash compartment.

A half hour east of Birmingham, Alabama is the only man alive today who saw Oswald's wallet at Tippit's murder scene.

'As I walked up, I happened to not knowingly step in a puddle of blood, which was Tippit's blood,' retired FBI Special Agent Bob Barrett recalled. 'I thought, 'Oh God, what have I done?''

He spent 27 years in the FBI and was asked to go to the Tippit murder scene that day by his friend, Dallas County Sheriff Bill Decker.

After arriving at 10th and Patton in North Oak Cliff, Barrett said, he recognized a Dallas police captain thumbing through a billfold.

'He said, 'Bob, you know all the crooks in town, all the hoodlums, etc. You ever heard of a Lee Harvey Oswald?' I said, 'No, I never have.' He said 'How about an Alec Hiddell?' I said, 'No. I never have heard of him either,'' Barrett explained. 'Why would they be asking me questions about Oswald and Hiddell if it wasn't in that wallet?'

In addition, the first Dallas cop on the Tippit crime scene said he actually recovered the wallet.

Sgt. Kenneth Croy, a reserve officer at the time, put it in writing on an 8' x 10' picture for Rookstool.

'First on the scene, recovered Oswald's wallet there, too,' Croy wrote on an image of Tippit's patrol car.

But officially, Dallas police told a different story. The department said it got Oswald's wallet from Oswald himself after his arrest a short time later at the Texas Theatre.

Barrett and Rookstool believe police made that up for the official report because too many officers handled the crucial piece of evidence at the shooting scene.

'They said they took the wallet out of his pocket in the car? That's so much hogwash,' Barrett said. 'That wallet was in [Captain] Westbrook's hand.'

'Bob's in Alabama. Kenneth Croy is in Hamilton, Texas,' Rookstool said. 'They had no relationship with each other than the fate of history put them at the scene of a crime.'

Rookstool says the testimony of Barrett and Croy, Tippit's billfold, and the WFAA film prove that Oswald's wallet was at the scene of the policeman's murder.

More than shell casings and eyewitness recollections, it is the first hard evidence placing Oswald there on that day.

It's significant in tying off a historical loose end and perfecting the record fifty years later.

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/wallet-mystery-from-officer-tippits-murder-settled-after-50-years/287-306016477

This boils down to the following.  First, the police would have believed that any discarded wallet found at the crime scene would have been linked to the shooting.  Second, the name associated with the wallet owner would have immediately been broadcast as a potential suspect in the murder.  We know the latter didn't happen.  What does that tell us?  That the "wallet" was not found at the scene.  Whatever it is, the police know the owner is not a suspect.  That leaves a witness wallet or Tippit's citation book. 

[Jon Banks]

This boils down the to the following.  First, the police would have believed that any discarded wallet found at the crime scene would have been linked to the shooting.  Second, the name associated with the wallet owner would have immediately been broadcast as a potential suspect in the murder.  We know the latter didn't happen.  What does that tell us?  That the "wallet" was not found at the scene.  Whatever it is, the police know the owner is not a suspect.  That leaves a witness wallet or Tippit's citation book.

So it's your belief that Agent Barrett and Officer Croy were mistaken?

They very well may have been mistaken but nevertheless, we're stuck with two conflicting accounts of where the Dallas PD gained custody of Oswald's wallet.

Based on the available information, neither of us can conclusively say they were mistaken or lied.

[Michael Capasse]

"First on the scene recovered Oswald's wallet there too."
" K H Croy Sgt. Kenneth Croy DPD Reservve #86"(?)

Makes it clear what was found at the Tippit scene.

[Martin Weidmann]

Bump for Bill Brown.

Bentley took a wallet from Oswald in the car which took them from the Texas Theater to the police station. None of the officers in the car have mentioned, in their contemporary reports, that a Hidell ID was found in that wallet.
Gus Rose, who had just arrived at the police station after Oswald had been brought in, was the first officer to talk to him. Just before that some unidentified officer gave Rose a wallet and told him it was Oswald's.

Mr. ROSE. He had already been searched and someone had his billfold. I don't know whether it was the patrolman who brought him in that had it or not.

That wallet did contain the Hidell ID.

At 3.25 PM traffic officer Bardin submitted a black wallet with some other items to the evidence room.


How did Westbrook and Barrett obtain "Oswald's wallet" at the police station and how did it end up in the possession of officer Bardin?

And what was Westbrook looking at on 10th street? There was speculation about it being Tippit's wallet but that has long been debunked.

Yet more questions that you leave unanswered?

[John Mytton]

Bump for Bill Brown.

Yet more questions that you leave unanswered?

Save up all your questions and you can present your case when you and Bill have your online debate.

JohnM

[John Mytton]

Makes it clear what was found at the Tippit scene.

Sure does Michael, we can add that evidence to the case against Oswald, Good work!

JohnM