Two Wallets? Nope.

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Offline John Mytton

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Re:Two Wallets? Nope.
« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2025, 02:41:06 PM »
Below is a screen shot from a news report aired on WFAA-TV Dallas on the 50th anniversary.
It contains the only documented affirmation that a wallet was found at the Tippit scene.
The wallet is described as "Oswald's", was "recovered" by the officer first to arrive on the scene.
This documented framed evidence was given by the officers to FBI Agent Bob Barrett when he retired.



"First on the scene recovered Oswald's wallet there too."
" K H Croy Sgt. Kenneth Croy DPD Reservve #86"(?)
"SA XXXXXXX Bookhout Dallas FBI"


Thanks again Michael, Oswald's wallet the Tippit murder scene can only mean Oswald dropped it as he was proving his identity to Tippit, therefore Oswald was there and this is just another piece of the mountain of evidence linking Oswald to this crime!!  Thumb1: Thumb1: Thumb1:

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Online Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: TWO WALLETS? NOPE.
« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2025, 02:55:37 PM »
Thanks again Michael, Oswald's wallet the Tippit murder scene can only mean Oswald dropped it as he was proving his identity to Tippit, therefore Oswald was there and this is just another piece of the mountain of evidence linking Oswald to this crime!!  Thumb1: Thumb1: Thumb1:

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I believe what he did is called "Ineffective Assistance of Counsel."

On the other hand, he does get any Oswald conviction overturned. Which is really what they are trying to do anyway. It's Oswald as Alfred Dreyfus sort of thinking.

Offline John Mytton

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Re: Two Wallets? Nope.
« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2025, 03:42:19 PM »
Useless garbage

A typical CT knee jerk response which proves that you either didn't read the questions or can't think of an intelligent response that provides a logical alternate narrative, so you just put these questions in the too hard basket, which in your case is beyond overflowing.

Are you really satisfied by answering with brainless one liners and irrelevant emojis?

What are you trying to prove?

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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Two Wallets? Nope.
« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2025, 04:13:21 PM »
Oswald's wallet, along with both Westbrook and Barrett, were inside Westbrook's office once Oswald was brought in. Let me say that again... All three (Oswald's wallet, Westbrook & Barrett) were inside Westbrook's office after Oswald was brought in. I believe Barrett is being honest when he says Westbrook asked him about Oswald/Hidell identifications inside a wallet. I just think Barrett is misremembering where it was that the brief conversation took place, i.e. inside Westbrook's office versus at Tenth & Patton.  All of this is covered in "With Malice" by Dale Myers.

Bentley took a wallet from Oswald in the car which took them from the Texas Theater to the police station. None of the officers in the car have mentioned, in their contemporary reports, that a Hidell ID was found in that wallet.
Gus Rose, who had just arrived at the police station after Oswald had been brought in, was the first officer to talk to him. Just before that some unidentified officer gave Rose a wallet and told him it was Oswald's.

Mr. ROSE. He had already been searched and someone had his billfold. I don't know whether it was the patrolman who brought him in that had it or not.

That wallet did contain the Hidell ID.

At 3.25 PM traffic officer Bardin submitted a black wallet with some other items to the evidence room.


How did Westbrook and Barrett obtain "Oswald's wallet" at the police station and how did it end up in the possession of officer Bardin?

And what was Westbrook looking at on 10th street? There was speculation about it being Tippit's wallet but that has long been debunked.
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Re: Two Wallets? Nope.
« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2025, 07:43:50 PM »
If the someone had planted a wallet at the scene to frame Oswald, why didn't they reveal that such a wallet was found?  That would have been a fantastic piece of evidence linking Oswald to the crime.  What would the police have done if they found a discarded wallet at the scene?  They would have immediately radioed in the name of the person who owned the wallet as a potential suspect.  Instead we are supposed to believe the DPD suppressed finding Oswald's wallet at the scene?  The guy everyone is trying to blame for the crime.   Makes no sense.  It may be Tippit's citation book.  A logical thing to do is look at Tippit's citation book to see if he wrote down any information that might have been useful in finding the suspect like a name or license plate of the last person he encountered. 

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Re: Two Wallets? Nope.
« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2025, 07:51:31 PM »
If the someone had planted a wallet at the scene to frame Oswald, why didn't they reveal that such a wallet was found?  That would have been a fantastic piece of evidence linking Oswald to the crime. 

Because, if we're to believe the official story, Oswald carried his wallet on him when he was arrested.

So either Oswald was carrying two wallets that day, or a very incriminating wallet with the Hidell ID was planted at the Tippit murder scene (if the accounts of Oswald's wallet being found near the Tippit scene are accurate).


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Online Zeon Mason

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Re: Two Wallets? Nope.
« Reply #20 on: April 24, 2025, 11:13:34 PM »
So after shooting JFK and then shooting Tippit , Oswald continues carrying his fake ID in his billfold all the way to the theater?

The stupidity of Oswald  is incredible.

1. Orders a  an MC rifle by mail with fake ID but has the rifle sent to his own real name P.O.box
2. Has his wife take pictures of him holding an MC rifle and a revolver in his holster, and some Marxist magazines.
3. Cannot figure out any other way to get his rifle into the TSBD except by getting a ride with BW. Frazier on morning of Nov/22/63.
4. Disassembles a 40” rifle just to reduce length a mere 5” and puts the  parts in a paper bag made from TSBD paper and TSBD tape.
5. Leaves the bag with his palm print on it right there at the SN.
6. Cannot figure out how to use an elevator and escape with his rifle, so he decides to leave  the rifle by  boxes nearest the staircase and then run down 4 flights of stairs.
7. After a lucky break by not getting arrested by Baker in the 2nd floor lunchroom, Oswald instead of just going down 1 more staircase, and then exiting by unguarded west  side door, decides to take off his brown shirt , get a coke, and go wander slowly into the 2nd floor office.
8. As Oswald , ( wearing just the Tshirt) enters the rear door to the office, Mrs Reid entered the office front door and saw Oswald. Oswald for some reason just kept walking slowly towards Reid across 90 ft of  office floor. Isn’t Oswald supposed to be in a hurry to get out of the TSBD?
9. After mumbling to Reid , Oswald goes back to the lunchroom, puts back on his brown shirt. He’s got  to get his blue jacket too, before he leaves so he that will be wearing it when  Oswald is seen by taxi driver Whaley. This is an incredible waste of time by a guy supposed to be in a hurry to get out of TSBD.
10. Oswald now having put back on his brown  shirt and has his blue jacket too, exits the lunchroom again , but decides rather than go out the west rear door, and get out of TSBD, that the better action to do, is to trek across the 1st floor to linger in the front lobby. There he meets reporters ,  Allman and McNeil. More wasted time.
11. Oswald realizes finally he has wasted enough time and upon seeing that DPD Officer Barnett had locked the front door , Oswald reckons it’s time to leave the TSBD now by exiting via the unguarded west rear door , something Oswald could have done 2 minutes earlier after meeting Baker.
12.,Oswald is supposed to be in hurry to get back to his boarding room. He elects to walk 7 blocks to board a bus that obviously was oriented to go BACK to the TSBD. Is Oswald stupid or what?
13. Oswald makes a spectacle of himself  banging on the bus door. He sits in the bus for several minutes before it dawns on him that this bus isn’t moving very fast AND, it’s going BACK to the TSBD. So Oswald’s squirrel brain reckons it’s time he got off this bus asap. BUT WAIT… get  a bus transfer from the bus driver… geez us … is this  guy Oswald stupid or what?
14. NOW FINALLY… Oswald has a eureka moment:  Hey.. I can get a taxi and get home asap. For some reason, Oswald did not think of using a taxi  8 minutes earlier when he had just exited the TSBD (supposedly in a hurry to get home asap.)
15. After changing his blue jacket for a light gray jacket, Oswald decides since he just shot JFK that the best thing to  do now is to carry a revolver that is linked to his P.O. Box too just like his MC rifle was, and Oswald reasons that he should carry also the fake ID in his billfold too. Somehow Oswald’s blue jacket made its way back to the TSBD about 1 month later after he took it off at his boarding room.
16. Now Oswald decides that he is in the clear, so let’s just start walking /running or changing directions suddenly should he see any police car going by. After all, that’s the best way to not draw attention to yourself right? Apparently Oswald’s squirrel brain reasons that is what he should do, especially since he is carrying a revolver linked to a fake ID which is in his wallet, which ID was used to order the MC rifle also,  and which rifle Oswald left on the 6th floor of the TSBD with a serial no that could be easily tracked to the fake name leading to his own real name P.O.box.  Is Oswald in on drugs? because the level of stupidity is beyond normal stupid.
17. So the police officer DID notice something that made him follow Oswald walking along in some way that Tippit thought was a little odd. According to 2 witness, Oswald was seen actually walking TOWARDS Tippit. Yes, Oswald’s squirrel brain, now being affected by drugs , hypnosis or psychotic disconnect with reality, reasoned that the best thing to do was to approach Tippits car , have a few words, then shooTippi  with 4 shots with the revolver linked to The fake ID in Oswald’s wallet. To make sure  that nearby witnesses  saw him, Oswald lingered after shooting Tippit in the head , threw his shells out one by one at the scene and walked menacingly towards Markam so she could get a good look at his face.

Okay now it’s beyond stupidity. Oswald has crossed over into an alternate reality. into the realm of psychotic lunacy.

So after this event,  Oswald keeping the billfold with fake ID on his person and keeping the revolver on his person going to the theatre , then pulling out the revolver when police arrive, struggling with the police all the way outside of the theater and Oswald proclaiming was not  resisting arrest… IS exactly the conclusion one would expect of psychotic lunatic.

I’ve sort of run out of CT alternatives, but there may be one possibility that Oswald was the victim of MK ultra and was hypnotized and or psychologically managed in some way.

The other possibility is a conspirator who was able to order the MC rifle and revolver, setup Oswald, somehow got Oswald to be photographed with rifle and revolver, then the conspirator preplanted the MC rifle, shot JFK with a semi auto rifle which the conspirator took with him as he escaped using the west rear elevator as Babel and Truly were ascending the staircases.

Sooner or later , though, if  I’ve exhausted all CT scenarios that I can imagine, then I’ll just  probably become an LN and be done with it after 25 years of being lead down rabbit holes.