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Online John Mytton

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Re: Two Wallets? Nope.
« Reply #136 on: May 05, 2025, 01:31:29 PM »
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More unproven Nutter garbage.
As seen in previous postings, this one just makes it up on the fly.

Huh, you got it ass backwards!

This is the evidence and your unproven allegations are just some Kooky fantasy.

Really Michael/Tom, this isn't for you, perhaps go fly a kite!

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Re: Two Wallets? Nope.
« Reply #136 on: May 05, 2025, 01:31:29 PM »


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« Reply #137 on: May 05, 2025, 01:36:52 PM »
 Thumb1: Yet, there were no bullets in his pocket when searched.
Poor Mytton. He has to make stuff up.
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Re: Two Wallets? Nope.
« Reply #138 on: May 05, 2025, 02:09:07 PM »
Thumb1: Yet, there were no bullets in his pocket when searched.
Poor Mytton. He has to make stuff up.

Oswald was interrogated just after he arrived from 2:20 till about 4PM and then Boyd searched Oswald before the first line-up and found the five live shells. Are you saying that someone planted the shells on Oswald? LOL!

Mr. BALL. Before you went into the showup, did you search Oswald?
Mr. BOYD. Yes; I did.
Mr. BALL. And what did you find?
Mr. BOYD. I found five .38 shells, I believe it was five.
Mr. BALL. Live? Live shells?
Mr. BOYD. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. What did you do with them?
Mr. BOYD. Well, I put them in an envelope and put them with the rest of the property up there to be turned in.
Mr. BALL. Did you put any mark on them?
Mr. BOYD. Let me see I can look and see.
Mr. BALL. I will show you Commission Exhibit 592 in an envelope, will you take a look at that--at the cartridges?
Mr. BOYD. Yes---I got my mark on them.
Mr. BALL. You have your mark on all five of them?
Mr. BOYD. I have my mark on the first three---yes, sir---I have my mark on all of them.
Mr. BALL. On all five of them?
Mr. BOYD. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. You put those marks on there, did you?
Mr. BOYD. Yes, I did.
Mr. BALL. Now, looking those cartridges over, can you tell me whether these five cartridges, which constitute Commission Exhibit 592, are the cartridges which you took from Oswald?
Mr. BOYD. Yes; they are.




Elmer L Boyd sure looks like an Honest Cop.




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Offline Michael Capasse

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Re: Two Wallets? Nope.
« Reply #139 on: May 05, 2025, 02:29:37 PM »
Oswald was interrogated just after he arrived from 2:20 till about 4PM and then Boyd searched Oswald before the first line-up and found the five live shells. Are you saying that someone planted the shells on Oswald? LOL!

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John Mytton makes up excuses then casts lame straw man arguments. JR Malley, Paul Bentley, & Capt. Fritz.
Thumb1: No bullets in his pocket when arrested. Uh-Oh !

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« Reply #140 on: May 05, 2025, 02:29:50 PM »
T. L. Baker also said in his report that Boyd discovered the five shells, how deep does the Capasse/Sorenson's fantasy go?? Hahaha!



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Offline Michael Capasse

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Re: Two Wallets? Nope.
« Reply #141 on: May 05, 2025, 02:31:39 PM »
T. L. Baker also said in his report that Boyd discovered the five shells, how deep does the Capasse/Sorenson's fantasy go?? Hahaha!

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 Thumb1: Yet, there were no bullets in his pocket when searched earlier.
Poor Mytton. He has to make stuff up.

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« Reply #142 on: May 05, 2025, 02:57:28 PM »
John Mytton makes up excuses then casts lame straw man arguments. JR Malley, Paul Bentley, & Capt. Fritz.
Thumb1: No bullets in his pocket when arrested. Uh-Oh !

For a start learn what a strawman is before you embarrass yourself even further.

Anyway your post is unintentionally hilarious, Malley and Fritz weren't even there and show me where Paul Bentley says he gave a full body search of Oswald??

Hill says that Bentley while sitting sideways in the cramped backseat, just reached in Oswald's pocket and grabbed his Billfold and Hill was there and provided testimony! NO mention of a full body search of Oswald who was BTW not a threat and bound in handcuffs.

Mr. BELIN. Was he asked where he lived?
Mr. HILL. That was the second question that was asked the suspect, and he didn't answer it, either.
About the time I got through with the radio transmission, I asked Paul Bentley, "Why don't you see if he has any identification."
Paul was sitting sort of sideways in the seat, and with his right hand he reached down and felt of the suspect's left hip pocket and said, "Yes, he has a billfold," and took it out.


Mr. BELIN. Was he ever asked again where he lived, up to the time you got to the station?
Mr. HILL. No; I don't believe so, because when Bentley got the identification out, we had two different addresses. We had two different names, and the comment was made, "I guess we are going to have to wait until we get to the station to find out who he actually is."
After about the time Bentley reached in his pocket and got his billfold, the suspect made the statement, "I don't know why you are treating me like this. The only thing I have done is carry a pistol in a movie."
Then there was a remark made something to the effect, "Yes, sir; you have done a lot more. You have killed a policeman."
And then the suspect made a remark similar to "Well, you fry for that," or something to that effect.


The first proper FULL search was by Boyd, read it and weep!

Mr. BALL. Before you went into the showup, did you search Oswald?
Mr. BOYD. Yes; I did.
Mr. BALL. And what did you find?
Mr. BOYD. I found five .38 shells, I believe it was five.
Mr. BALL. Live? Live shells?
Mr. BOYD. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. What did you do with them?
Mr. BOYD. Well, I put them in an envelope and put them with the rest of the property up there to be turned in.
Mr. BALL. Did you put any mark on them?
Mr. BOYD. Let me see I can look and see.
Mr. BALL. I will show you Commission Exhibit 592 in an envelope, will you take a look at that--at the cartridges?
Mr. BOYD. Yes---I got my mark on them.
Mr. BALL. You have your mark on all five of them?
Mr. BOYD. I have my mark on the first three---yes, sir---I have my mark on all of them.
Mr. BALL. On all five of them?
Mr. BOYD. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. You put those marks on there, did you?
Mr. BOYD. Yes, I did.
Mr. BALL. Now, looking those cartridges over, can you tell me whether these five cartridges, which constitute Commission Exhibit 592, are the cartridges which you took from Oswald?
Mr. BOYD. Yes; they are.


So Michael, all you've got is some weak hearsay which doesn't say what you want and I keep presenting powerful solid evidence after solid evidence, like Hill and Boyd and Baker, real testimony and reports, whereas you got zero, zilch, nothing.

As I said you are not very good at this and you keep relying on crappy misinterpreted evidence and assumptions, while I give you the real stuff straight from the horses mouth!

PS you keep avoiding the obvious, why would the Dallas Police who you accuse of being heroes and villains in the same breath, plant bullets on a fully searched Oswald, your needlessly paranoid conspiracy narrative as usual has more holes than swiss cheese!

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Re: Two Wallets? Nope.
« Reply #143 on: May 05, 2025, 04:07:22 PM »
Weidmann's two wallet shenanigans is the most stupid CT theory I have ever read, why manufacture and introduce a second wallet and then stupidly hide this powerful link to a man you're trying to set-up? Especially when it's customary for a man and in this case Oswald to have his wallet on his person, which funnily enough is EXACTLY what happened. It's just another CT wet dream because after 60+ years they have NOTHING besides distant decades old memories, it's actually quite pathetic!

Anyway, I looked into the wallet being Tippit's notebook and this is my conclusions.

1) I couldn't find any trace of Tippit's notebook in the archives. But I did find what the Dallas Police used as their inventory notebook.



2) Also, I did find these Police Notebooks from roughly the same time period and in each case they are quite long and one is measured to be 9 inches.







3) While not conclusive, the object in the footage IMO is a bit small to be a notebook, and the white section within the object appears to be credit card sized. The object also seems to be flexible as it bends while being moved.



4) This wallet from 1963 has the same configuration and as seen above, the suited man runs his finger across, which corresponds with the orientation of someone's I.D. within the wallet.



My theory based on the cops movements with the revolver as he has no worries about pointing the gun at the suited man's hand but very quickly withdraws it when giving back the wallet to a civilian. And also of note is that Callaway takes the revolver from the squad car and goes looking for Oswald and obviously when he returns his actions would need some serious explanation and I reckon he was asked for his ID and simply handed over his wallet which had his ID at the front of the plastic sleaves.

Mr. BALL. The pistol was out of the holster?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir; out of the holster, and it was unsnapped. It was on his right side. He was laying with the gun under him.
Mr. BALL. What did you do?
Mr. CALLAWAY. I picked the gun up and laid it on the hood of the squad car, and then someone put it in the front seat of the squad car. Then after I helped load Officer Tippit in the ambulance, I got the gun out of the car and told this cabdriver, I said, "You saw the guy didn't you?" He said, yes.
I said, "If he is going up Jefferson, he can't be very far. Let's see if we can find him." So I went with Scoggins in the taxicab,....


BTW, the fact that the name wasn't broadcast is further proof that there was no wallet that was dropped by a potential murderer at the scene. Any cop would come to the conclusion that a wallet would have been dropped by Tippit's killer as Tippit asked for the man to show his I.D.!

It's all a wishful CT fantasy which doesn't even stand up to the slightest scrutiny.

JohnM

Weidmann's two wallet shenanigans is the most stupid CT theory I have ever read,

It is not my problem if it goes way over your head.

But thank you for confirming that in your opinion it isn't a notebook that we see in the footage.

BTW, the fact that the name wasn't broadcast is further proof that there was no wallet that was dropped by a potential murderer at the scene.

Sometimes I find it amazing and beyond belief what you consider to be "proof", when it is, of course, no such thing.

Any cop would come to the conclusion that a wallet would have been dropped by Tippit's killer as Tippit asked for the man to show his I.D.!

Really? ... In your modest opinion, of course, right?


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Re: Two Wallets? Nope.
« Reply #143 on: May 05, 2025, 04:07:22 PM »