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Offline Duncan MacRae

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Online Tom Graves

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Re: Three Ladies
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2025, 08:30:02 PM »
Nice montage, Duncan.

For many years they were misidentified in the Zapruder film as "Gloria Calvery, Karan Hicks, and Carol Reed," but in reality they were (left-to-right) Stella Mae Jacobs, Gloria Holt, and Sharron Simmons.
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Re: Three Ladies
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2025, 11:14:55 PM »






    Does anybody have a  "timestamp" for these images of the women walking across the Knoll? How long after the Kill Shot? Thanks

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« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2025, 11:48:08 PM »
Does anybody have a "timestamp" for these images of the women walking across the Knoll? How long after the Kill Shot? Thanks

Just curious:

Why does it matter?

FWIW, that's probably photographer James Darnell running from left-to-right across the grass.
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Re: Three Ladies
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2025, 01:04:56 AM »
Just curious:

Why does it matter?

FWIW, that's probably photographer James Darnell running from left-to-right across the grass.

   Lotta reasons. If that IS Darnell, Darnell also filmed Sitzman being interviewed in front of the Pergola Shelter behind Zapruder. That would provide a rough time stamp for the Sitzman interview. And, going back even further back, it would timestamp the Darnell Footage inside the railroad yard that included Officer Roger Craig. I am also interested in how quickly people crossed Elm St and then lingered on the Knoll. Gotta wonder what drew these 3 women to the Top of the Knoll? They watched the JFK Motorcade from their standing position around the Stemmon Sign. So they witnessed the Kill Shot and then moved to the Top of the Knoll? Why? I am also interested in the activity in the background on the Elm St Ext.

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« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2025, 03:29:47 AM »
Lotta reasons. If that IS Darnell, Darnell also filmed Sitzman being interviewed in front of the Pergola Shelter behind Zapruder. That would provide a rough time stamp for the Sitzman interview. And, going back even further back, it would timestamp the Darnell Footage inside the railroad yard that included Officer Roger Craig. I am also interested in how quickly people crossed Elm St and then lingered on the Knoll. Gotta wonder what drew these 3 women to the Top of the Knoll? They watched the JFK Motorcade from their standing position around the Stemmon Sign. So they witnessed the Kill Shot and then moved to the Top of the Knoll? Why? I am also interested in the activity in the background on the Elm St Ext.

Gosh, I don't know . . . they couldn't possibly have gone up there to take shelter in the Pergola.

Since the Grassy Knoll / Picket Fence / Pergola was the closest possible shooting position to the Z-313 head shot, they must have gone up there (like so many other people) to try to catch the evil, evil, evil CIA sniper!


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Re: Three Ladies
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2025, 03:34:35 AM »
Identified by witness and TSBD employee Karen Westbrook Scranton as Carol Ann Reed, Gloria Calvery, and herself. At timestamp 18:06.



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« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2025, 03:49:48 AM »
Identified by witness and TSBD employee Karen Westbrook Scranton as Carol Ann Reed, Gloria Calvery, and herself. At timestamp 18:06.


Iacoletti,

You need to realize that the poor woman was confused while trying, on camera!!!, to identify herself some fifty years after-the-fact, from behind, and from a considerable distance away.

Although she was wearing a (light blue) headscarf (the only thing she got right), the poor woman didn't remember that she was standing three people to the left of big-tall, black-blouse-and-black-headscarf-wearing Gloria Calvery, i.e., about twenty feet closer to the TSBD, and that big-tall Gloria Calvery's red hair can't be seen in the Zapruder film because . . . well . . . she was wearing a gosh darned headscarf!!!
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