Why Was Oswald's Military Spy Plane Knowledge Considered Of No Value To USSR ?

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Offline Watson Phillips

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In my opinion, LHO mostly just wanted to “moon” the U.S. I don’t think that he had thought a whole lot about what he thought he might be doing in the USSR. I doubt that LHO would have been happy for very long regardless of where he was or what he was doing.


How could he not be thinking of what his new day to day  life in a new country would consist of ,starting life over ?
Especially considering his beliefs on how the common working class was being screwed in the country he was leaving in his rear view mirror ?
You just got done posting his own words where speaks of living a  " HAPPY NORMAL LIFE" !
How could he be thinking of living a "HAPPY NORMAL LIFE"  removed from thinking about what he would be doing day to day ?


Quote from: Charles Collins on Today at 01:26:09 PM


The last sentence visible in that image of the letter to Robert Oswald probably best answers the question that Watson Phillips asked. LHO himself wrote that he wanted to lead a “normal happy and peaceful life” in the USSR.
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How could he not be thinking of what his new day to day  life in a new country would consist of ,starting life over ?
Especially considering his beliefs on how the common working class was being screwed in the country he was leaving in his rear view mirror ?
You just got done posting his own words where speaks of living a  " HAPPY NORMAL LIFE" !
How could he be thinking of living a "HAPPY NORMAL LIFE"  removed from thinking about what he would be doing day to day ?


I don’t have any way to know what he was thinking. You asked my opinion. I gave my opinion. There is a difference in “not thinking a whole lot” and not thinking at all. Don’t you agree?
The last sentence visible in that image of the letter to Robert Oswald probably best answers the question that Watson Phillips asked. LHO himself wrote that he wanted to lead a “normal happy and peaceful life” in the USSR.[/b]
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Offline Watson Phillips

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How could he not be thinking of what his new day to day  life in a new country would consist of ,starting life over ?
Especially considering his beliefs on how the common working class was being screwed in the country he was leaving in his rear view mirror ?
You just got done posting his own words where speaks of living a  " HAPPY NORMAL LIFE" !
How could he be thinking of living a "HAPPY NORMAL LIFE"  removed from thinking about what he would be doing day to day ?


Quote from: Charles Collins on Today at 01:26:09 PM


I don’t have any way to know what he was thinking. You asked my opinion. I gave my opinion. There is a difference in “not thinking a whole lot” and not thinking at all. Don’t you agree?
The last sentence visible in that image of the letter to Robert Oswald probably best answers the question that Watson Phillips asked. LHO himself wrote that he wanted to lead a “normal happy and peaceful life” in the USSR.

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This book states that Oswald felt he had cards to play based on his security clearance before he had ever been allowed to stay in Russia .
Had you ever heard this ?




The Incredible, Amazing, Disturbing, Mysterious Story of Lee Harvey Oswald
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At first, Oswald was denied Soviet Citizenship and ordered to leave Russia, but he attempted suicide by cutting his wrist, and he was held in a psychiatric hospital for a time, after which he appeared at the US Embassy in front of both American and Russian officials, and during that meeting Oswald revealed that he was a former Marine who’d possessed a top secret security clearance and that he was willing to give the Russians “radar secrets.”


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Online Steve M. Galbraith

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Here's an account of Oswald's reactions right after the U-2 flight with Gary Powers was shot down. It's one given by his first girlfriend Ella German. She said he was worried that the Soviets people might hold him accountable or "damage" him in some way for the flight. He also told her that Americans were hunting him down (?!) in the USSR and that if he returned to the US they would "kill" him. This is from the Mailer book "Oswald's Tale."

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Here's an account of Oswald's reactions right after the U-2 flight with Gary Powers was shot down. It's one given by his first girlfriend Ella German. She said he was worried that the Soviet people would hold him accountable for the flight. He also told her that Americans were hunting him down in the USSR (?) and that if he returned to the US they would "kill" him. This is from the Mailer book "Oswald's Tale."




For some strange reason that story about what LHO reportedly told Ella German reminds me of a time I was at  a general aviation airport at an observation area watching the planes landing and taking off. I happened to have a hand held scanner radio receiver tuned to the tower frequency so that I could hear the communications. I was on the top level of some stadium type seats and leaning on the rail with the radio receiver in hand. A nearby man and wife approached the area and she asked her husband what I was doing. With a straight face, he told her that I was controlling the airplanes that were coming and going with my remote controller.   ;D

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This book states that Oswald felt he had cards to play based on his security clearance before he had ever been allowed to stay in Russia .
Had you ever heard this ?




The Incredible, Amazing, Disturbing, Mysterious Story of Lee Harvey Oswald
Phillip BartlingPhillip Bartling
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Published Apr 2, 2022
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At first, Oswald was denied Soviet Citizenship and ordered to leave Russia, but he attempted suicide by cutting his wrist, and he was held in a psychiatric hospital for a time, after which he appeared at the US Embassy in front of both American and Russian officials, and during that meeting Oswald revealed that he was a former Marine who’d possessed a top secret security clearance and that he was willing to give the Russians “radar secrets.”


I suggest you read something more reliable. Here’s the truth regarding LHO’s (not top secret) security clearance:

While in the Marines, Lee Harvey Oswald was granted a security clearance to handle classified matter up to and including "confidential".
Security Clearance Level: Oswald's clearance allowed him access to information classified as "confidential".
Reason for Clearance: His training as a radar operator required a security clearance.
Documented Clearance: A May 1957 document stated that he was "granted final clearance to handle classified matter up to and including confidential after careful check of local records had disclosed no derogatory data".

https://www.google.com/search?q=what+type+of+security+clearance+did+oswald+have+while+in+the+marines&rlz=1C9BKJA_enUS922US923&oq=what+type+of+security+clearance+did+oswald+have+while+in+the+marines&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCTMzMTE0ajBqN6gCE7ACAeIDBBgBIF_xBYlfXo03ad3O&hl=en-US&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
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Offline Watson Phillips

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Here's an account of Oswald's reactions right after the U-2 flight with Gary Powers was shot down. It's one given by his first girlfriend Ella German. She said he was worried that the Soviet people would hold him accountable for the flight. He also told her that Americans were hunting him down in the USSR (?) and that if he returned to the US they would "kill" him. This is from the Mailer book "Oswald's Tale."



I really don't know what to make  of who were these "Americans"  were or how they became interested in him and for what reason ?
What were they doing in Russia ?
The Russians on the other hand , as we have heard throughout this thread knew everything that Oswald had to offer which then added up to him being worthless to them so I don't really understand how they would be blaming him for anything?