Can we be honest about Oswald's "patsy" statement?

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Online Royell Storing

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Re: Can we be honest about Oswald's "patsy" statement?
« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2025, 06:32:07 PM »
  There is NO EVIDENCE putting Oswald inside that sniper's nest when the shots were fired. I believe Oswald probably moved the boxes around and set the sniper's nest up. That was the level of his involvement in the JFK Assassination. If he had been the shooter, I believe he would have also brought his hand gun with him.
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Offline Jon Banks

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Re: Can we be honest about Oswald's "patsy" statement?
« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2025, 06:42:01 PM »
  There is NO EVIDENCE putting Oswald inside that sniper's nest when the shots were fired. I believe Oswald probably moved the boxes around and set the sniper's nest up. That was the level of his involvement in the JFK Assassination. If he had been the shooter, I believe he would have also brought his hand gun with him.

I have had that same thought. If LHO knew he would be involved with the assassination of a President in advance, why did he leave his pistol at home?

I also have never gotten an explanation for Oswald's conversation with James Jarman on the morning of 11/22/63. Jarman said LHO asked why crowds were lining up outside the Book Depository. Which implies that he wasn't aware that JFK's motorcade was going to pass the Book Depository prior to that conversation.

The best explanation I've heard is that Oswald was plotting his alibi in advance. That's possible but if that were true, wouldn't he have had the same conversation with other people at work that morning? How could he have known that Jarman would mention it later in his statements to the police?
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Offline Jim Hawthorn

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Re: Can we be honest about Oswald's "patsy" statement?
« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2025, 06:45:47 PM »
I have had that same thought. If LHO knew he would be involved with the assassination of a President in advance, why did he leave his pistol at home?

I also have never gotten an explanation for Oswald's conversation with James Jarman on the morning of 11/22/63. Jarman said LHO asked why crowds were lining up outside the Book Depository. Which implies that he wasn't aware that JFK's motorcade was going to pass the Book Depository prior to that conversation.

The best explanation I've heard is that Oswald was plotting his alibi in advance. That's possible but if that were true, wouldn't he have had the same conversation with other people at work that morning? How could he have known that Jarman would mention it later in his statements to the police?

If he wanted an alibi, all he had to do was go to the front step and engage in conversation with multiple people.

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Re: Can we be honest about Oswald's "patsy" statement?
« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2025, 07:01:58 PM »

 I believe Oswald was told to establish his alibi by staying inside that 2nd Floor Lunchroom. The plan was to "pop" him inside the Lunchroom and make it look like a suicide. DPD Officer Baker beat the assassin to that lunchroom. After being confronted by Baker, Oswald got to thinking he was a sitting duck, possibly being setup, and he then left the TSBD and got his gun. At that point, Oswald was in scramble mode. No Plan.

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Re: Can we be honest about Oswald's "patsy" statement?
« Reply #25 on: April 04, 2025, 10:20:05 PM »
I believe Oswald was told to establish his alibi by staying inside that 2nd Floor Lunchroom. The plan was to "pop" him inside the Lunchroom and make it look like a suicide. DPD Officer Baker beat the assassin to that lunchroom. After being confronted by Baker, Oswald got to thinking he was a sitting duck, possibly being setup, and he then left the TSBD and got his gun. At that point, Oswald was in scramble mode. No Plan.

Yes, I think something like that was going on - Oswald following some sort of instruction without knowing that the hit was taking place at that moment... with his rifle in the scenario. Hence, as you say, his panic run.
Not so sure about a lunchroom execution though.

Offline Lance Payette

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Re: Can we be honest about Oswald's "patsy" statement?
« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2025, 11:07:43 PM »
I believe Oswald was told to establish his alibi by staying inside that 2nd Floor Lunchroom. The plan was to "pop" him inside the Lunchroom and make it look like a suicide. DPD Officer Baker beat the assassin to that lunchroom. After being confronted by Baker, Oswald got to thinking he was a sitting duck, possibly being setup, and he then left the TSBD and got his gun. At that point, Oswald was in scramble mode. No Plan.

What gun would he have "popped" himself with in the lunchroom? As an admitted amateur at assassination planning, I would have placed the Carcano under his chin and blown his head off right there in the sniper's nest. Now there is a plausible "suicide."

The problem with the "panic" explanation for Oswald's post-assassination actions is that it's completely ad hoc. You posit "panic" because you're stuck with his actions. You have a very difficult time explaining why he would've panicked unless he'd known his rifle was in the TSBD. You have a very difficult time explaining why, with his rifle in the TSBD and the Presidential motorcade going by, he would have failed to put 2+2 together and would have agreed to placidly wait in the lunchroom. If he didn't know his rifle was in the TSBD, of course, panic makes no sense. If he did know but was completely innocent, heading for the nearest policeman and cooperating fully seems more plausible to me than what he actually did. On top of all that, why would the Oswald who was cool as a cucumber in the lunchroom encounter and mystifyingly cool under interrogation have "panicked" when you say he did?

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Can we be honest about Oswald's "patsy" statement?
« Reply #27 on: April 05, 2025, 07:49:12 PM »
Oh, the irony of that sentence is too thick to measure!

Imagine the gall of a JFKA CTer writing the above comment. Just incredible.

Pot meets Kettle (yet again).

Only because you think that disbelieving the official fantasy (and for good reason) is the same thing as a "conspiracy theory".

Don't make claims you can't prove.  Seems simple enough.