Explain the logic of Prayer Man please

[John Iacoletti]

Perhaps Oswald's rifle was the same rifle that Oswald ordered, paid for, was sent to his PO box, was photographed with a few weeks after receiving it, was discovered on the 6th floor of where he worked and had his palmprint!

Or perhaps not...

Corrections:

Unscientific and biased handwriting “analysis” of two block letters on a photo of a microfilm copy of a 2-inch order coupon (from microfilm that is “missing”) purports that he filled out an order for a similar but not identical rifle. But you have no evidence or documentation of any kind showing that such a package ever went through the postal service, was delivered to the PO Box in Dallas, or that any required forms were filled out, or that any such package was signed for and picked up by Oswald or anybody else.

There's nothing connecting the money order found in Virginia to any particular Klein's order.

The rifle in the backyard photos cannot be uniquely identified.

The partial palmprint was found on an index card that showed up a week later, after the FBI found no usable prints on the actual rifle.

[Mark A. Oblazney]

The logic of prayerman is oswald’s rifle, it would seem. hey Brian, for all you do, this thread’s for you!

[Matt Brooks]

I'll say this right now, we won't be getting any Darnell or Wiegman film from NBC, no, it's not because Mr.Conspiracy is blocking access or something, no, it's because usually news agencies only sell their footage, not to us civilians, no, but to directors, people in the film or documentary industry who want to license the footage, and usually for a fortune, so just to recap, it's not because the CIA is hiding sh*t, it's because only industry companies can license it.
In short, F#ck the United Press International television news, F#ck AP, rats like those gatekeep stuff like the high quality muchmore film and the news films.

[Mark A. Oblazney]

so it’s Sean Murphy’s prayerman or raff sink’s doorwayman.  any other possibilities? 

[John Corbett]

Yes, Prayer Person has been beaten to death. I was surprised to see that the folks at the Ed Forum are all atwitter because Rep. Luna is going to request the original Darnell and Wiegman films from NBC. At last we will know the truth, or maybe not. (I use the term Prayer Person because, as Duncan once argued, PP looks more like a woman to me.)

I confess, I lack sufficient imagination to become enthusiastic about PP. Yet many quality researchers like Greg Parker and Bart Kamp and others have been. One notable windbag at the Ed Forum has asserted that PP is Oswald “beyond a reasonable doubt.” I truly always wonder, “What cogs are turning inside their heads that aren’t turning in mine?”

If the issue were simply, “Who is that amorphous figure on the top of the TSBD steps?” – well, sure, this would be interesting and nice to know. It’s the enthusiasm that this might be – no, is! – Oswald that mystifies me.

Read my lips: I don’t want to know the details of why you think PP is Oswald. I’ve heard all the arguments. I simply want to hear why you think this notion makes any sense at all. What is your logic? You will note that all PP discussions focus solely on the technical details of why the amorphous figure could be Oswald and ignore more basic issues such as these:

1. In what sort of conspiracy would it make any sense to place a rifle traceable to Oswald on the 6th floor of the TSBD but allow him to be standing on the steps in full view at the time of the shooting? I am so dull that I can’t think of anything. If you don’t at least have the patsy under control and out of sight, how is he an effective patsy? If the rifle is on the 6th floor and the patsy is on the steps, doesn’t this pretty much scream “Conspiracy!” Get me over this mental hurdle, PP fans!

2. It would seem to be pure happenstance that no clear photo of PP exists. There could have been 20 cameras trained on that location that clearly showed PP was Oswald and blew the Lone Nut narrative clean out of the water, but the conspirators took this risk and by pure happenstance there weren’t. By pure happenstance, “Oswald” is a blurry blob in the shadows. Plausible?

3. The steps and the immediate area were crawling with people, mostly fellow TSBD employees. No one recalled seeing Oswald standing there? No one recalled the supposed assassin? Not one person so much as had a sudden flash of "Hey, could that have been Oswald standing there?" Plausible?

4. How on earth is it possible that in all of his interactions with police, reporters and family members, Oswald never screamed at the top of his lungs “For God’s sake, I was standing right there on the steps!!! At least five or ten people must’ve seen me! Talk to them!” Despite the cryptic “out with Bill Shelley in front” in Fritz’ notes, Oswald never screamed to reporters “Someone please talk to Bill Shelley! I was standing there with him!” Plausible? (Indeed, when specifically asked by a reporter “Were you in the building at the time?” Oswald answered “Naturally, if I work in that building, yes sir.” He didn't answer, "Well, no, I was out on the steps with Bill Shelley, as I feel sure he will confirm.")

5. PP is inconsistent with the Baker-Truly lunchroom encounter and Mrs. Reid’s office encounter (with Oswald in a t-shirt!), is it not? Is it plausible that both these encounters were invented as part of a conspiracy? “They” got to Baker, Truly and Reid? If “they” didn’t care that Oswald was standing on the steps in the first place, what was the need for all this? Or perhaps Baker, Truly and Reid were part of the frame-up of Oswald from the get-go - but wouldn't the more obvious frame-up have been to simply control him so he wasn't on the steps? Oy, I'm getting a headache ...

Make sense of if for me, if you can.

I wasn't a member of this forum when Lance posted this a year and a half ago but I whole heartedly agree. I can't understand why this individual, whether a man or a woman, draws so much fascination. Whoever it was had absolutely no involvement in the JFKA other than to witness it.

[John Corbett]

I'll say this right now, we won't be getting any Darnell or Wiegman film from NBC, no, it's not because Mr.Conspiracy is blocking access or something, no, it's because usually news agencies only sell their footage, not to us civilians, no, but to directors, people in the film or documentary industry who want to license the footage, and usually for a fortune, so just to recap, it's not because the CIA is hiding sh*t, it's because only industry companies can license it.
In short, F#ck the United Press International television news, F#ck AP, rats like those gatekeep stuff like the high quality muchmore film and the news films.

There was a time when news organizations rarely saved footage. Film and videotape took up space and would be expensive to warehouse. The only reason any of the footage from JFK's Dallas trip was saved was because of what happened in Dealey Plaza. Otherwise, it would have been discarded with as much thought as tossing out yesterday's newspaper. It would not surprise me if NBC never kept this footage. It contains nothing of significance. What reason would there have been to warehouse it all these years. In addition, film and videotape degrade over time and become useless. Even before VHS tapes became obsolete, threw out dozens of movies and other materials that had become unusable.

[Brian Doyle]

In 2016 Chris Davidson proved that Prayer Man was Depository secretary Sarah Stanton when he used digital technology to enhance the clear Wiegman frame showing Sarah Stanton's face on Prayer Man...

Recently the 6th Floor Museum 1st generation copy of the Darnell Film showed a female dress neckline on Prayer Man that was matched to Sarah Stanton's dress neckline seen in the Owens Film...Sandy Larsen took the low route and claimed the dress neckline was a CIA forgery...

Prayer Man's height, in comparison to Frazier standing right next to her, perfectly matches Sarah Stanton's 5 foot 4 height...

The Education Forum is uncredibly using banning and censorship to avoid this evidence...