JFK Assassination Computer Analysis Video!

[Royell Storing]

  This is what is now being endlessly repeated in order to try and make the bolt action "3 Shot" scenario work. Max Holland's 10+ Second Fever Dream is a tough sell when you break it down. We have: (1) 1st shot being fired while the JFK Limo was turning onto Elm St, (2) Shooter 6 stories high, (3) Shooter in a Standing Position, (3) Shooter firing through a 1/2 open window, (4) Shooter firing almost straight down, (5) Moving the physical position of the JFK Limo on Elm St, and (6) Explaining where that 1st shot bullet ended up. These mandatory factual gymnastics makes clear how tough it is to sell the Bolt Action 3 Shot Scenario.   

[Tom Graves]

This is what is now being endlessly repeated in order to try and make the bolt action "3 Shot" scenario work. Max Holland's 10+ Second Fever Dream is a tough sell when you break it down. We have: (1) 1st shot being fired while the JFK Limo was turning onto Elm St, (2) Shooter 6 stories high, (3) Shooter in a Standing Position, (3) Shooter firing through a 1/2 open window, (4) Shooter firing almost straight down, (5) Moving the physical position of the JFK Limo on Elm St, and (6) Explaining where that 1st shot bullet ended up. These mandatory factual gymnastics makes clear how tough it is to sell the Bolt Action 3 Shot Scenario.

Storing,

Max Holland's theory posits the first (missing-everything) shot at hypothetical "Z-107," a total elapsed firing time of 11.25 seconds, the limo's straightening out on Elm Street, the 5' 9.5" shooter in a standing/crouching position for the first shot only, the shooter's firing through a 1/4 to 1/3 open window, and the shooter's firing almost straight down for the first shot only.

The scenario proposed by Roselle and Scearce posits the first (missing-everything) shot at hypothetical "Z-124," a total elapsed firing time of 10.2 seconds, the limo's already being straightened out on Elm Street, the 5' 9.5" shooter's firing from a standing/crouching firing position for the first shot only, the shooter's firing through a 1/4 to 1/3 open window, and the shooter's firing sharply downward, but not "almost straight down" for the first shot only.

[Royell Storing]

  You can quibble over "almost straight down" vs "sharply downward", but Holland's "Lost Bullet" demonstration of the shooter playing "Jack In The Box" with the standing posture and then sitting down to allegedly fire 2 more shots is pure  So now we have the POTUS under steady fire for 11+ seconds and absolutely nobody on the SS does Jack over that extended time period? I was reviewing the Dan Rather description to the nation regarding the Zapruder Film he watched the Sunday after the assassination. Rather described seeing the JFK Limo turning from Houston St onto Elm St on the Zapruder Film he watched. You guys that are buying into a 10-11 seconds elapsed time for the 3 shots to be fired, are also justifying the claims that the Current Zapruder Film Not showing this Limo turn is due to the film being Altered.   

[Tom Graves]

You can quibble over "almost straight down" vs "sharply downward", but Holland's "Lost Bullet" demonstration of the shooter playing "Jack In The Box" with the standing posture and then sitting down to allegedly fire 2 more shots is pure  So now we have the POTUS under steady fire for 11+ seconds and absolutely nobody on the SS does Jack over that extended time period? I was reviewing the Dan Rather description to the nation regarding the Zapruder Film he watched the Sunday after the assassination. Rather described seeing the JFK Limo turning from Houston St onto Elm St on the Zapruder Film he watched. You guys that are buying into a 10-11 seconds elapsed time for the 3 shots to be fired, are also justifying the claims that the Current Zapruder Film Not showing this Limo turn is due to the film being Altered.

Storing,

Why do you obsess so much on Max Holland's very early first-shot theory?

Have you never heard of Roselle's and Scearce's early first-shot theory?

Do you only talk about Holland's theory because you think it's easier to rebut than Roselle's and Scearce's?

You do realize that the limo was farther down Elm Street at hypothetical "Z-124" (per Roselle and Scearce) than at hypothetical "Z-107" (per Holland), don't you?

Also, aren't you aware that Zapruder, having been fooled by the passing of the advance car, the pilot car, the lead car, and some motorcycle policemen into thinking that the limo would be next, realized that it just wasn't "happening" quite yet, so he paused filming for seven seconds in order to save precious film and didn't resume until he could actually see, with his very own eyes, the limo heading straight towards him?

Rather's saying he watched the limo turn onto Elm Street in the Zapruder film was an exaggeration, nothing more. I'm sure that if he'd known that you and your tinfoil-hat JFKA CT ilk would take his words literally, he probably would have said, "Storing, I didn't actually see the President's car turn left onto Elm Street in the film, okay? If it's okay with you and your tinfoil-hat JFKA Conspiracy Theorist ilk buddies, I assumed that it had turned left onto Elm from Houston because all of the cars and motorcycles ahead of it had."

[Royell Storing]

Storing,

Why do you obsess so much on Max Holland's very early first-shot theory?

Have you never heard of Roselle's and Scearce's early first-shot theory?

Do you talk about only Holland's theory because you think it's easier to rebut than Roselle's and Scearce's?

You do realize that the limo was farther down Elm Street at hypothetical "Z-124" (per Roselle and Scearce) than at hypothetical "Z-107" (per Holland), don't you?

Also, aren't you aware that Zapruder, having been fooled by the passing of the advance car, the pilot car, the lead car, and some motorcycle policemen into thinking that the limo would be next, realized that it just wasn't "happening" quite yet, so he paused filming for seven seconds in order to save precious film and didn't resume until he could actually see, with his very own eyes, the limo heading straight towards him?

Rather's saying he watched the limo turn onto Elm Street in the Zapruder film was an exaggeration, nothing more. I'm sure that if he'd known that you and your tinfoil-hat JFKA CT ilk would take his words literally, he probably would have said, "Storing, I didn't actually see the President's car turn left onto Elm Street in the film, okay? If it's okay with you and your tinfoil-hat JFKA Conspiracy Theorist ilk buddies, I assumed that it had turned left onto Elm from Houston because all of the cars and motorcycles ahead of it had."

   Pres JFK has been assassinated and there is only 1 known film capturing the Kill Shot. And You think Dan Rather is going to be loose with his verbiage and exaggerate what he has seen on this film in front of a Live National audience? That is not realistic on its' face. The career implications for Rather further rule out your conjecture.
    Holland somehow had the ear of National Geographic. That says he has some sway with the media Muckety Mucks. Those 2 guys you are pushing are Bush League in comparison. Their megaphone is not close to Holland's.
    You believe the JFK Limo was 7 seconds behind those 3 Lead Motorcycles? Stop trying to pass your opinion off as being a fact.  And Sitzman has said they could see the JFK Limo coming down Houston St. There's no excuse for the JFK Limo suddenly POPPING onto the Z Film.

[Tom Graves]

You believe the JFK Limo was 7 seconds behind those 3 Lead Motorcycles?

Storing,

How many seconds do you think (sic) the limo was behind those three motorcycles?

For your information, there were seven groupings of police motorcycles in the motorcade. In order of appearance they were:

1. ADVANCE MOTORCYCLES  (Bellah, McBride and Garrick; see below)

2. LEAD MOTORCYCLES  (Grey, Brewer, Freeman, Lumpkin and Ellis)

3. PRESIDENTIAL MOTORCYCLES  (Martin, Hargis, Cheney, Jackson)

4. FORWARD MID MOTORCADE MOTORCYCLES  (McLain, Baker)

5. MID MOTORCADE MOTORCYCLES  (Courson, Haygood)

6. REAR MID MOTORCADE MOTORCYCLES  (Smart, Dale)

7. REAR POLICE MOTORCYCLE  (Philips, Davenport)


Regarding the three motorcycles that can be seen turning onto Elm Street at the beginning of the Zapruder film, this is what Penn Jones, Jr., wrote:

"Three 2-wheel motorcycle officers, Sergeant S. Q. Bellah (2219 Wilbur St., Dallas), J. B. Garrick, (1011 East Hobson St, Dallas) and G. C. McBride (9019 Anaconda Drive, Pleasant Grove), were riding as advance escort three or four blocks ahead of the motorcade. Two of them, Garrick and McBride, were scheduled to wait somewhere in the vicinity of the triple underpass for the motorcade to get ahead of them onto Stemmons in order that they could fall in behind and prevent traffic from the rear from overtaking the motorcade."

Zapruder filmed those three motorcycles as they turned onto Elm Street and passed by him, and then, realizing that there was a gap in the motorcade behind them, switched off his camera in order to save film and kept it turned off for seven seconds as he watched the group of four LEAD MOTORCYCLES (comprised of Officers Grey, Brewer, Freeman and Ellis) and the LEAD CAR (containing Curry, Lawson, Decker and Sorrels) turn onto Elm Street and pass by him.

Then, when he finally saw the limo turn onto Elm Street, straighten out, and start heading straight towards him, Zapruder turned his camera back on and resumed filming at what we call Z-133.

EDIT: Stike the above two sentences sentence and replace them with Storing-friendly this:

"Zapruder was filming the intersection of Houston Street and Elm Street as the three "Advance" (i.e., not the four "Lead") motorcycles turned onto Elm Street, as they travelled towards him down Elm Street, and as one of them -- the one closest to the other side of the street -- apparently began to pass by him, and then, in order to save precious film, he turned his gosh-darned camera off for seven seconds (gasp . . . thereby NOT filming the four Lead Motorcycles or the one Lead Car as they turned onto Elm Street and travelled down it towards him and PASSED BY HIM) until he saw, with his very own eyes, the limo coming straight towards him down Elm Street, and he turned his camera back on and resumed filming."



D'oh!

[Royell Storing]

 Without knowing it, YOU have just brought an additional issue to light with the Current Zapruder Film. You quote Penn Jones, "Zapruder filmed those 3 motorcycles as they turned onto Elm St and PASSED BY HIM......". The Current Zapruder Film does Not show those 3 motorcycles "...PASSED BY HIM".  If Zapruder did film the 3 motorcycles after they "...PASSED BY HIM", he also possibly filmed the Black Dog Man. Willis 5 showing the Black Dog Man was snapped only seconds later. 

[Royell Storing]

Storing,

How many seconds do you think (sic) the limo was behind those three motorcycles?

For your information, there were seven groupings of police motorcycles in the motorcade. In order of appearance they were:

1. ADVANCE MOTORCYCLES  (Bellah, McBride and Garrick; see below)

2. LEAD MOTORCYCLES  (Grey, Brewer, Freeman, Lumpkin and Ellis)

3. PRESIDENTIAL MOTORCYCLES  (Martin, Hargis, Cheney, Jackson)

4. FORWARD MID MOTORCADE MOTORCYCLES  (McLain, Baker)

5. MID MOTORCADE MOTORCYCLES  (Courson, Haygood)

6. REAR MID MOTORCADE MOTORCYCLES  (Smart, Dale)

7. REAR POLICE MOTORCYCLE  (Philips, Davenport)


Regarding the three motorcycles that can be seen turning onto Elm Street at the beginning of the Zapruder film, this is what Penn Jones, Jr., wrote:

"Three 2-wheel motorcycle officers, Sergeant S. Q. Bellah (2219 Wilbur St., Dallas), J. B. Garrick, (1011 East Hobson St, Dallas) and G. C. McBride (9019 Anaconda Drive, Pleasant Grove), were riding as advance escort three or four blocks ahead of the motorcade. Two of them, Garrick and McBride, were scheduled to wait somewhere in the vicinity of the triple underpass for the motorcade to get ahead of them onto Stemmons in order that they could fall in behind and prevent traffic from the rear from overtaking the motorcade."

Zapruder filmed those three motorcycles as they turned onto Elm Street and passed by him, and then, realizing that there was a gap in the motorcade behind them, switched off his camera in order to save film and kept it turned off for seven seconds as he watched the group of four LEAD MOTORCYCLES (comprised of Officers Grey, Brewer, Freeman and Ellis) and the LEAD CAR (containing Curry, Lawson, Decker and Sorrels) turn onto Elm Street and pass by him.

Then, when he finally saw the limo turn onto Elm Street, straighten out, and start heading straight towards him, Zapruder turned his camera back on and resumed filming at what we call Z-133.

D'oh!

  BUMP