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Online Tom Graves

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Re: Good reasons to believe there was a conspiracy at the highest level...
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2025, 09:34:52 AM »
The cover-up was from the highest level but the plot to kill Kennedy was a small group of powerful people. Two separate things entirely.

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Offline Lance Payette

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Re: Good reasons to believe there was a conspiracy at the highest level...
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2025, 02:34:25 PM »
Do all LN adherents accept that the SBT is absolutely essential to the LN position? Is it conceivable an early shot misfired and produced the distinctly different sound noticed by some witnesses, the shallow back wound initially observed at the autopsy, and the arm response of JFK, a second shot produced JBC's wounds, and a fragment from the head shot produced the throat wound? Is this impossible?

FWIW, here's the Knott Lab stuff: https://knottlab.com/blog/knott-laboratory-presents-digital-reconstruction-and-findings-on-the-assassination-of-president-john-f-kennedy/ From personal experience, I think it's extremely difficult to know exactly what any given bullet is going to do, even one that passes more-or-less cleanly through a body as the SB is supposed to have done. Nevertheless, I accept that the SBT is problematical.

Online Royell Storing

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Re: Good reasons to believe there was a conspiracy at the highest level...
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2025, 03:17:37 PM »
Do all LN adherents accept that the SBT is absolutely essential to the LN position? Is it conceivable an early shot misfired and produced the distinctly different sound noticed by some witnesses, the shallow back wound initially observed at the autopsy, and the arm response of JFK, a second shot produced JBC's wounds, and a fragment from the head shot produced the throat wound? Is this impossible?

FWIW, here's the Knott Lab stuff: https://knottlab.com/blog/knott-laboratory-presents-digital-reconstruction-and-findings-on-the-assassination-of-president-john-f-kennedy/ From personal experience, I think it's extremely difficult to know exactly what any given bullet is going to do, even one that passes more-or-less cleanly through a body as the SB is supposed to have done. Nevertheless, I accept that the SBT is problematical.

  "...even one that passes more-or-less CLEANLY THROUGH a body...?".  Since when does Breaking the Radius Bone qualify as "Cleanly"?  "Objection Sustained"!

Offline Lance Payette

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Re: Good reasons to believe there was a conspiracy at the highest level...
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2025, 05:07:30 PM »
  "...even one that passes more-or-less CLEANLY THROUGH a body...?".  Since when does Breaking the Radius Bone qualify as "Cleanly"?  "Objection Sustained"!
I was referring to JFK's body. I don't believe anyone could say with certainty that there was (in the SBT) absolutely no deviation after impacting JFK's back and exiting his throat, nicking the fabric.

Online Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: Good reasons to believe there was a conspiracy at the highest level...
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2025, 05:12:48 PM »
Do all LN adherents accept that the SBT is absolutely essential to the LN position? Is it conceivable an early shot misfired and produced the distinctly different sound noticed by some witnesses, the shallow back wound initially observed at the autopsy, and the arm response of JFK, a second shot produced JBC's wounds, and a fragment from the head shot produced the throat wound? Is this impossible?

FWIW, here's the Knott Lab stuff: https://knottlab.com/blog/knott-laboratory-presents-digital-reconstruction-and-findings-on-the-assassination-of-president-john-f-kennedy/ From personal experience, I think it's extremely difficult to know exactly what any given bullet is going to do, even one that passes more-or-less cleanly through a body as the SB is supposed to have done. Nevertheless, I accept that the SBT is problematical.
Couple of questions:

(1) Where did this shallow wound causing bullet go? What happened to it?
(2) How did this same bullet cause the bruises to JFK's lungs/pleura/pleural cavity? If it only penetrated a few inches?
(3) If JFK is hit about 2-3 seconds before JC (presumably at circa Z-223) why did it take that long for him to react? And if the bullet only went in a few inches how could it cause that sudden elbows-flailing reaction? Yes, back to (2).

I won't ask about where in the Z film is this head fragment causing a neck wound.

Okay, that was more than a couple including the one I didn't ask.

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Re: Good reasons to believe there was a conspiracy at the highest level...
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2025, 05:28:45 PM »
I was referring to JFK's body. I don't believe anyone could say with certainty that there was (in the SBT) absolutely no deviation after impacting JFK's back and exiting his throat, nicking the fabric.

   I still do No know how a bullet fired Downward from the 6th Floor can Enter the back and Exit from the throat. That does Not work. Never has.

Offline Lance Payette

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Re: Good reasons to believe there was a conspiracy at the highest level...
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2025, 05:43:19 PM »
Couple of questions:

(1) Where did this shallow wound causing bullet go? What happened to it?
(2) How did this same bullet cause the bruises to JFK's lungs/pleura/pleural cavity? If it only penetrated a few inches?
(3) If JFK is hit about 2-3 seconds before JC (presumably at circa Z-223) why did it take that long for him to react? And if the bullet only went in a few inches how could it cause that sudden elbows-flailing reaction? Yes, back to (2).

I won't ask about where in the Z film is this head fragment causing a neck wound.

Okay, that was more than a couple including the one I didn't ask.
I thought I was the one asking the questions. I asked whether any LN proponents regarded this as an alternative to the SBT. I take it we can check the box "Does not regard it as a viable alternative" for you.