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Offline Lance Payette

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Re: Good reasons to believe there was a conspiracy at the highest level...
« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2025, 06:29:18 PM »
In my estimation, Arlen Specter's single bullet theory, coupled with the rush to repair the damaged limousine and quickly exit Kennedy's body, says there was a conspiracy at the highest level...

What other factors tell the story so simply and convincingly?

You seem to be assuming there are no other equally or more plausible explanations for your three smoking guns.

1. The SBT: As I've stated, I think the SBT is problematical. And yet, umpteen panels, doctors and forensic types have concluded it is entirely possible. Others have, of course, disagreed. Any complex event has so many variables that a perfect reconstruction is impossible - the precise location and angle of the rifle, the precise speed and orientation of the bullet at initial impact, the precise orientation of the limousine, JFK and JBC, precisely what the bullet did as it traveled through and exited both bodies. The level of precision required to say the SBT is flat-out impossible seems to me flat-out impossible. So I assess the SBT in terms of all the other evidence pointing to Oswald and his rifle and chalk up the SBT to a problematic possibility (and perhaps not even essential to the LN position).

What gung-ho CTers never seem to consider is: If this was such a high-level conspiracy, how come the best the conspirators could do involved problematical things like the SBT and Magic Bullet and all the other red flags? This is the point I always make about the conspirators conveniently being geniuses half the time and idiots the other half. LBJ and Hoover and the Warren Commission and their minions couldn't have cooked the books better than this? I tend to think things like the SBT and Magic Bullet point in the opposite direction.

2. JFK's body: Is it not entirely possible that the shell-shocked Kennedy family and Admiral Burkley, who had been concealing JFK's Addison's Disease and other ailments for years, simply didn't want the body mangled by some unknown and possibly hostile Texas coroner? Is it not possible that even the Secret Service agents wanted JFK's body treated with more respect than this? On top of which, LBJ and Jackie wanted to be out of Texas now, and a Texas autopsy was going to delay that.

I see nothing sinister unless one is assuming that which is to be proven - i.e., that it was sinister.

3. Ditto with the limousine: The cleaning by Secret Service agents at Parkland was, I will grant, unfortunate but understandable. The car itself was impounded in evidence for weeks and the windshield that CTers love to speculate about was removed and provided to the Warren Commission. A six-member committee with representatives from the Secret Service, Army Materials Research Center, manufacturer Hess & Eisenhardt and Pittsburgh Plate Glass Company developed a plan to improve the vehicle for future use, and the plan was approved by the White House on 12-12-63.

Again, I just don't see anything sinister unless one is assuming something sinister.

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Re: Good reasons to believe there was a conspiracy at the highest level...
« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2025, 06:40:44 PM »
You seem to be assuming there are no other equally or more plausible explanations for your three smoking guns.

1. The SBT: As I've stated, I think the SBT is problematical. And yet, umpteen panels, doctors and forensic types have concluded it is entirely possible. Others have, of course, disagreed. Any complex event has so many variables that a perfect reconstruction is impossible - the precise location and angle of the rifle, the precise speed and orientation of the bullet at initial impact, the precise orientation of the limousine, JFK and JBC, precisely what the bullet did as it traveled through and exited both bodies. The level of precision required to say the SBT is flat-out impossible seems to me flat-out impossible. So I assess the SBT in terms of all the other evidence pointing to Oswald and his rifle and chalk up the SBT to a problematic possibility (and perhaps not even essential to the LN position).

What gung-ho CTers never seem to consider is: If this was such a high-level conspiracy, how come the best the conspirators could do involved problematical things like the SBT and Magic Bullet and all the other red flags? This is the point I always make about the conspirators conveniently being geniuses half the time and idiots the other half. LBJ and Hoover and the Warren Commission and their minions couldn't have cooked the books better than this? I tend to think things like the SBT and Magic Bullet point in the opposite direction.

2. JFK's body: Is it not entirely possible that the shell-shocked Kennedy family and Admiral Burkley, who had been concealing JFK's Addison's Disease and other ailments for years, simply didn't want the body mangled by some unknown and possibly hostile Texas coroner? Is it not possible that even the Secret Service agents wanted JFK's body treated with more respect than this? On top of which, LBJ and Jackie wanted to be out of Texas now, and a Texas autopsy was going to delay that.

I see nothing sinister unless one is assuming that which is to be proven - i.e., that it was sinister.

3. Ditto with the limousine: The cleaning by Secret Service agents at Parkland was, I will grant, unfortunate but understandable. The car itself was impounded in evidence for weeks and the windshield that CTers love to speculate about was removed and provided to the Warren Commission. A six-member committee with representatives from the Secret Service, Army Materials Research Center, manufacturer Hess & Eisenhardt and Pittsburgh Plate Glass Company developed a plan to improve the vehicle for future use, and the plan was approved by the White House on 12-12-63.

Again, I just don't see anything sinister unless one is assuming something sinister.

   The Body? THE LAW is the law. The SS Stole the JFK Body.  "Surgery to the head area" is the result of this Stolen Body.

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Re: Good reasons to believe there was a conspiracy at the highest level...
« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2025, 06:57:21 PM »
The SS Stole the JFK Body.  "Surgery to the head area" is the result of this Stolen Body.

How many "Deep State" bad guys do you figure were involved, altogether, in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the shooting, and the all-important cover up, Storing?

Oodles and gobs?

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Re: Good reasons to believe there was a conspiracy at the highest level...
« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2025, 10:07:08 PM »
How many "Deep State" bad guys do you figure were involved, altogether, in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the shooting, and the all-important cover up, Storing?

Oodles and gobs?

   When you include "cover up", what's the time limitation? There's probably going to be new "cover up" players added due to the Rep Luna JFK Assassination hearings in March. 

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Re: Good reasons to believe there was a conspiracy at the highest level...
« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2025, 11:50:36 PM »
When you include "cover up," what's the time limitation? There's probably going to be new "cover up" players added due to the Rep Luna JFK Assassination hearings in March.

Assuming that you, as a rabid supporter of The Traitorous Orange Xxxx* known as Donald Trump, support Loony Luna in her KGB-inspired (can you say Joachim Joesten, Thomas G. Buchanan, "Tink" Thompson, "Paese Sera," Jim Garrison, Oliver Stone, et al. ad nauseum?) and Putin-cherished quest, the better question to ask is "How could the bad guys have been so incompetent as to have to continually forge and "plant" false evidence and engage in a never-ending cover up of the assassination of JFK?" -- which assassination, in reality, was committed (with or without encouragement and/or logistical support from the KGB and the DGI) by a sharpshooting, psychologically disturbed, self-described Marxist by the name of Lee Harvey Oswald.

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Offline Jake Maxwell

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Re: Good reasons to believe there was a conspiracy at the highest level...
« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2025, 11:29:33 PM »

2 more good reasons:

1) The great haste and rush to judgment by the FBI and CIA to pin it all on Oswald (very likely to keep themselves from being investigated as culprits...)
"So convinced were the FBI and the CIA that Oswald was their man that, as soon as the suspect himself was dead, they began moving to close the case down. Officials at both agencies seemed more interested in covering up their own shortcomings and knowledge of secrets that could have relevance to the president's murder than they were in casting a wide net for a possible conspiracy. Their failures provided fertile ground for the conspiracy theories that have left most Americans convinced to this day that Oswald did not act alone." [The Washington Post]

2) The memo by Hoover less than 48 hours after Kennedy's assassination...
"Just a few hours after Lee Harvey Oswald was killed in Dallas, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover dictated a memo saying the government needed to issue something “so we can convince the public” that Oswald killed President John F. Kennedy....
Hoover said that the FBI had an agent at the hospital in hopes of getting a confession from Oswald, but Oswald died before that could happen. Hoover said he and a deputy were concerned about “having something issued so we can convince the public that Oswald is the real assassin.” [PBS/NPR]

In any other case before Lady Justice, such a comment would incriminate the speaker... Hoover is most likely guilty and this memo issued so quickly after the event, is likely intended cover himself and his agency... and not a concern for national security. AND certainly not an expression from someone who cares about truth and justice and fairness...