Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.

[Royell Storing]

Well I might agree with JohnM that the bullet recovered in that 2003 experiment is close enough to CE 399 if they had it go thru a wrist bone also when it exited the JC replica body.

But alas they left out that important detail and that’s unfortunate because I would also have preferred a body with arms and legs to examine the likely position of JC legs and how he was holding  his hat so that a bullet could go thru his wrist of the hand holding that hat without going thru the hat or even splattering some blood on the hat .

I’ve seen only one drawing of a position that is probably the only way it could be , which has JC with both legs turned towards the right door and he holds his hat upside down over the outside part of his left leg/thigh with his right hand fingers pressing down on the rim of the hat against the top of his thigh.

Thus when the Z224 bullet   exits from his right side chest it goes thru his wrist as  he is holding the hat still upside down with the rim covered by the fingers of his hand pressing the rim against the top of his left thigh, yet allowing the bullet to  pass thru the lower part of the palm of his hand, without going thru the hat or splattering blood on the hat.

Then the sudden gripping clutching by the right hand snatching the hat up in the air is more plausible imo because it’s simply an involuntary nervous reaction to the pain from the bullet  having gone thru his wrist.

  You bring up, "the likely position of JC legs....". There's no way Connally could spin around and have his upper torso pointing directly at JFK. There simply is Not the space between the Connally Jump Seat and the side of the JFK Limo to permit him to execute this pirouette move. Just look at the way they had to gently close the door after they all were seated inside the JFK Limo at Love Field. Plus, Connally was 46 yrs old at  the time, and then you have the issue of Connally also holding onto his stetson while he is spinning like a top to go face-to-face with JFK behind him. Oh yeah, and don't forget that Hump down the middle of the JFK Limo. People consistently want to move Connally "inboard"? The middle and then some of the JFK Limo is taken up by that Hump running down the car.

[Charles Collins]

Well I might agree with JohnM that the bullet recovered in that 2003 experiment is close enough to CE 399 if they had it go thru a wrist bone also when it exited the JC replica body.

But alas they left out that important detail and that’s unfortunate because I would also have preferred a body with arms and legs to examine the likely position of JC legs and how he was holding  his hat so that a bullet could go thru his wrist of the hand holding that hat without going thru the hat or even splattering some blood on the hat .

I’ve seen only one drawing of a position that is probably the only way it could be , which has JC with both legs turned towards the right door and he holds his hat upside down over the outside part of his left leg/thigh with his right hand fingers pressing down on the rim of the hat against the top of his thigh.

Thus when the Z224 bullet   exits from his right side chest it goes thru his wrist as  he is holding the hat still upside down with the rim covered by the fingers of his hand pressing the rim against the top of his left thigh, yet allowing the bullet to  pass thru the lower part of the palm of his hand, without going thru the hat or splattering blood on the hat.

Then the sudden gripping clutching by the right hand snatching the hat up in the air is more plausible imo because it’s simply an involuntary nervous reaction to the pain from the bullet  having gone thru his wrist.

I am going from memory only, but I do remember seeing a photo of JBC’s hat hanging in someone’s office and it did have some blood splatter on it. The blood could have come from his chest wound or his wrist, or both.

Also, from memory only, I remember that the 2003 experiment had two broken ribs instead of just the one. And I do believe that they had a block set up with multiple “wrist bones” in it. But I do not remember whether or not the bullet actually hit one of them.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

I am going from memory only, but I do remember seeing a photo of JBC’s hat hanging in someone’s office and it did have some blood splatter on it. The blood could have come from his chest wound or his wrist, or both.

Also, from memory only, I remember that the 2003 experiment had two broken ribs instead of just the one. And I do believe that they had a block set up with multiple “wrist bones” in it. But I do not remember whether or not the bullet actually hit one of them.

Charles: A photo of the hat with specks of what appears to be blood (what else could it be?) is here. It's from the 6th Floor Museum and was taken in Jesse Curry's office. How it got there is a mystery.



And here:

[Charles Collins]

Charles: A photo of the hat with specks of what appears to be blood (what else could it be?) is here. It's from the 6th Floor Museum and was taken in Jesse Curry's office. How it got there is a mystery.



And here:

Thanks Steve, that’s exactly what I remembered seeing.

[Andrew Mason]

Thanks that is interesting and helpful!

Do you have the respective weights of the jacket and the core handy?

I don't. And that was the original reason I acquired some actual bullets.  I was trying to determine if CE567 and CE569:

came from more than one bullet by trying to determine whether the mass of the copper exceeded the mass of copper in a single bullet.  I thought that the total mass of the copper in those two fragments (CE567=2891 mg; CE569=1361 mg) might exceed the amount of copper in one bullet.  I don't think it does and I think both may well have come from the same bullet.

If I feel inclined I may get my blow torch out and heat up one of my bullets and see if I can determine the mass of the lead and copper separately.

[Charles Collins]

I don't. And that was the original reason I acquired some actual bullets.  I was trying to determine if CE567 and CE569:

came from more than one bullet by trying to determine whether the mass of the copper exceeded the mass of copper in a single bullet.  I thought that the total mass of the copper in those two fragments (CE567=289 mg; CE569=1361 mg) might exceed the amount of copper in one bullet.  I don't think it does and I think both may well have come from the same bullet.

If I feel inclined I may get my blow torch out and heat up one of my bullets and see if I can determine the mass of the lead and copper separately.

Thanks, yes, the copper in the upper left in 567 does look like it could be part of the nose. The 569 copper appears to me to be part of the base. So I think that they could all be parts of the same bullet. It's interesting how the copper shattered into small pieces like that. I think that it is a copper alloy and is harder than plain copper. Plus copper can be hardened in other ways (from my experiences with rigid copper pipe versus the coiled softer and more bendable tubing). Pleas let us know the results if you do decide to separate the lead from one of your bullets.

[Dan O'meara]

What type of bullet leaves a square hole?

But seriously, I found this close-up photo and the author theorizes that the straight sides may have been cut for a sample but the other sides appear to be ragged and extend way past 3/8 of an inch.



After a little research into this, the resulting hole in fabric does not appear to be a direct reflection of calibre.







So in conclusion it seems to me that the ragged edges on Connally's shirt hole(measured from each extremity to be roughly 3/4 of an inch) are the result of a tumbling bullet which did not strike flush but at an angle which is totally consistent with Dr. Gregory's estimation of a linear wound with a length of 3/4 of an inch.

Mr. SPECTER - What did the wound of entry look like, Doctor?
Dr. GREGORY - It appeared to me that the wound of entry was sort of a linear wound, perhaps three-quarters of an inch in length with a rounded central portion. Whereas, the wound of exit was rather larger than this, perhaps an inch and a half across.

JohnM

"...it seems to me that the ragged edges on Connally's shirt hole(measured from each extremity to be roughly 3/4 of an inch)..."

As usual, I'm having problems understanding what you're posting.
Either I'm missing something very obvious or you are, once again, talking utter nonsense.
So, according to the picture you posted you believe the hole "measured from each extremity" is ROUGHLY 3/4 OF AN INCH
3/4 of an inch?
The hole ACROSS THE DIAGONAL is less than 1/2 an inch.
That means each side is even less than that.



What am I missing?