Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #420 on: February 13, 2025, 03:47:34 PM »
        "They" being who specifically? The eyewitnesses I am familiar with did Not say anything about the spacing between shots 2 and 3 being "2:1".
"They" being specifically: Senator Ralph Yarborough, Forrest Sorrels, Robert Jackson and Mayor Earle Cabell.

Yarborough: "After what I took to be about three seconds, another shot boomed out, and after what I took to be one-half the time between the first and second shots (calculated now, this would have put the third shot about one and one-half seconds after the second shot--by my estimate--to me there seemed to be a long time between the first and second shots, a much shorter time between the second and third shots--these were my impressions that day), a third shot was fired. After the third shot was fired, but only after the third shot was fired, the cavalcade speeded up, gained speed rapidly, and roared away to the Parkland Hospital." (7 H 439 - affidavit that was sworn July 10, 1964)
Sorrels:Mr. STERN. Can you you tell us anything about the spacing of these reports?
Mr. SORRELS. Yes. There was to me about twice as much time between the first and second shots as there was between the second and third shots.
Mr. STERN. Can you estimate the overall time from the first shot to the third shot?
Mr. SORRELS. Yes. I have called it out to myself, I have timed it, and I would say it was very, very close to 6 seconds.7 H 345.
Jackson:I would say to me it seemed like 3 or 4 seconds between the first and the second, and between the second and third, well, I guess 2 seconds, they were very close together. It could have been more time between the first and second. I really can't be sure 2 H 160
Cabell:Mr. HUBERT. Could you estimate the number of seconds, say, between the
flrst and second shots, as related to the number of seconds between the second
and third shots? Perhaps doing it on the basis of a ratio?
Mr. CABELL. Well, I would put it this way. That approximately 10 seconds
elapsed between the first and second shots, with not more than 5 seconds having
elapsed until the third one.
Mr. HUBERT. Two to one ratio?
Mr. CABELL. Approximately that. And again I say that, as you mentioned,
as a matter of being relative. I couldn’t tell you the exact seconds because they
were not counted.
7 H 478

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And I'm guessing you are dumping Max Holland's scenario where the shooter was standing when firing Shot #1 and then sat down for shots #2 & #3?
Good guess.

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #421 on: February 13, 2025, 04:03:13 PM »
"They" being specifically: Senator Ralph Yarborough, Forrest Sorrels, Robert Jackson and Mayor Earle Cabell.

Yarborough: "After what I took to be about three seconds, another shot boomed out, and after what I took to be one-half the time between the first and second shots (calculated now, this would have put the third shot about one and one-half seconds after the second shot--by my estimate--to me there seemed to be a long time between the first and second shots, a much shorter time between the second and third shots--these were my impressions that day), a third shot was fired. After the third shot was fired, but only after the third shot was fired, the cavalcade speeded up, gained speed rapidly, and roared away to the Parkland Hospital." (7 H 439 - affidavit that was sworn July 10, 1964)
Sorrels:Mr. STERN. Can you you tell us anything about the spacing of these reports?
Mr. SORRELS. Yes. There was to me about twice as much time between the first and second shots as there was between the second and third shots.
Mr. STERN. Can you estimate the overall time from the first shot to the third shot?
Mr. SORRELS. Yes. I have called it out to myself, I have timed it, and I would say it was very, very close to 6 seconds.7 H 345.
Jackson:I would say to me it seemed like 3 or 4 seconds between the first and the second, and between the second and third, well, I guess 2 seconds, they were very close together. It could have been more time between the first and second. I really can't be sure 2 H 160
Cabell:Mr. HUBERT. Could you estimate the number of seconds, say, between the
flrst and second shots, as related to the number of seconds between the second
and third shots? Perhaps doing it on the basis of a ratio?
Mr. CABELL. Well, I would put it this way. That approximately 10 seconds
elapsed between the first and second shots, with not more than 5 seconds having
elapsed until the third one.
Mr. HUBERT. Two to one ratio?
Mr. CABELL. Approximately that. And again I say that, as you mentioned,
as a matter of being relative. I couldn’t tell you the exact seconds because they
were not counted.
7 H 478
Good guess.

   You're gonna trot Cabell out there? 15 Seconds TOTAL for all 3 shots?  So we go from 6 seconds to Holland's 10+ Seconds and Now, YOU, want us to buy into Cabell's elapsed time of 15 Seconds Total? The more guys like this that you produce, the closer we get to there being a Limo STOP!

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #422 on: February 13, 2025, 04:11:46 PM »
Way before Z-280.

Like at Z-222 as indicated by his lapel flap at Z-224 and the bulging out of his jacket the frame before that.

Or do you think those things were caused by a gust of wind?
I don't see a bulge on JBC's chest.  How does the jacket bulge from a bullet but not the shirt? And we can see that the shirt doesn't move because if it did the tie would move. It doesn't budge:



What we see is a change in the amount of visible white shirt.  That can be due to the jacket moving because his right arm is moving as we see happening in subsequent frames.

JBC is definitely reacting to the shot that struck JFK in the neck.  But, as Dan has shown, that was the first shot.   So either JBC and Nellie were very mistaken that JBC was hit in the back by the second shot, or JBC was not yet hit in the back then.
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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #423 on: February 13, 2025, 04:29:32 PM »
   You're gonna trot Cabell out there? 15 Seconds TOTAL for all 3 shots?  So we go from 6 seconds to Holland's 10+ Seconds and Now, YOU, want us to buy into Cabell's elapsed time of 15 Seconds Total? The more guys like this that you produce, the closer we get to there being a Limo STOP!
You need to read all of what he said.  He was specifically asked for a ratio and he gave 10:5 which is 2:1.  He specifically said that he used 10 and 5 seconds to show the relative spacing not the actual seconds.  He specifically said that he did not count the seconds.

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #424 on: February 13, 2025, 04:38:02 PM »
You need to read all of what he said.  He was specifically asked for a ratio and he gave 10:5 which is 2:1.  He specifically said that he used 10 and 5 seconds to show the relative spacing not the actual seconds.  He specifically said that he did not count the seconds.

  You proffered Cabell. "That Approximately 10 seconds elapsed between the 1st and 2nd shots, with not more than 5 seconds having elapsed until the 3rd one". That's 15 seconds. The toothpaste is outta this tube.

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #425 on: February 13, 2025, 07:00:17 PM »
  We see on the NBC Darnell Film that Camera Car #1 and #2 are at a Dead Stop when both are at the turn onto Elm St. That "CARTOON OF CARS" shows No Stop. That's a "Fractured Flicker"! It holds No Value what-so-ever.

Once again you are nothing but wrong, Royell.
Your consistency is outstanding.
Even by the Law of Averages I would have thought you'd get something right sooner or later.

Both Camera Car #1 and #2 are shown "at a Dead Stop"
I have always admired your willingness to comment on things you haven't even seen before.
Anyone unfamiliar with Tyler's staggering achievement can find it here - https://www.marktyler.org/mc63.html
Do yourself a favour Royell, stop pretending you've seen it and actually watch it.

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #426 on: February 13, 2025, 07:31:00 PM »
Once again you are nothing but wrong, Royell.
Your consistency is outstanding.
Even by the Law of Averages I would have thought you'd get something right sooner or later.

Both Camera Car #1 and #2 are shown "at a Dead Stop"
I have always admired your willingness to comment on things you haven't even seen before.
Anyone unfamiliar with Tyler's staggering achievement can find it here - https://www.marktyler.org/mc63.html
Do yourself a favour Royell, stop pretending you've seen it and actually watch it.

   Thanks for the link. There are several of these simulations. I had Not viewed this one. There are several issues with this one. The spacing between the Lead Car and the JFK Limo is too great. The space between the JFK Limo and the Camera Cars is FAR, FAR TOO GREAT. Also, the position of the JFK Limo on this simulation when filmed by Wiegman is Wrong. I have the feeling it is working around a possible JFK Limo STOP.  Nobody has ever explained why the Camera Cars came to a DEAD STOP. There is nothing in front of the Camera Cars on this simulation. Why did they Stop? Did they Stop due to a JFK Limo Stop?  And on this simulation they are Stopped for a very extended period of time with Nothing in front of them. Do you know why those camera cars Stopped for that extended time period.