Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.

[Andrew Mason]

   I'm gonna call  on this "visual aid" From the Zapruder view. The Stemmons Sign is way off, the Limo is in the Wrong Lane, Seriously? Waste of time.

When I switched around the views I see that I inadvertently dragged the map which moves the position of the TSBD and the car/occupants relative to the map but doesn't change the relative positions of the SN and the car or its occupants.  I have since corrected it.

As far as the Stemmons sign is concerned, the earlier view did not show the Stemmons sign.   That was the Thornton sign on the left side.

In order to get the view from Zapruder one has to zoom in from Zapruder's position.  In Sketchup, which is what I am using, the zoom function gives a different zoom perspective than the Bell & Howell camera that Zapruder was using.  Here is the layout that I am using:


I zoom in over top of the Stemmons sign to get a more detailed view of the car and two men.   Here is the same view without the zoom:

[Charles Collins]

When I switched around the views I see that I inadvertently dragged the map which moves the position of the TSBD and the car/occupants relative to the map but doesn't change the relative positions of the SN and the car or its occupants.  I have since corrected it.

As far as the Stemmons sign is concerned, the earlier view did not show the Stemmons sign.   That was the Thornton sign on the left side.

In order to get the view from Zapruder one has to zoom in from Zapruder's position.  In Sketchup, which is what I am using, the zoom function gives a different zoom perspective than the Bell & Howell camera that Zapruder was using.  Here is the layout that I am using:


I zoom in over top of the Stemmons sign to get a more detailed view of the car and two men.   Here is the same view without the zoom:

Thanks again Andrew. I am making progress. I think you might be interested in the results. Hopefully the remaining work will go faster, now that I have figured out how to proceed with it.   

[Royell Storing]

When I switched around the views I see that I inadvertently dragged the map which moves the position of the TSBD and the car/occupants relative to the map but doesn't change the relative positions of the SN and the car or its occupants.  I have since corrected it.

As far as the Stemmons sign is concerned, the earlier view did not show the Stemmons sign.   That was the Thornton sign on the left side.

In order to get the view from Zapruder one has to zoom in from Zapruder's position.  In Sketchup, which is what I am using, the zoom function gives a different zoom perspective than the Bell & Howell camera that Zapruder was using.  Here is the layout that I am using:


I zoom in over top of the Stemmons sign to get a more detailed view of the car and two men.   Here is the same view without the zoom:

    You do realize you have the SBT happening as the JFK Limo approaches the Thornton Sign? This position would put the Limo at a point where it is just about straightened out after making the turn onto Elm St. This is close to where Croft were standing on the (S) side of Elm St. And your SBT Shot would be the 2nd shot by 1 shooter inna 3 shot scenario? At some point prior to this, the 1st shot was fired. And there needs to be the required time to work the carcano bolt action between the 1st shot and the SBT/2nd shot. So this means you Now have Shot #1 happening while the JFK Limo is still on Houston approaching the turn onto Elm St. And on top of all of that, you have Shots #1 and #2 being fired much closer together than shots #2 and #3.  Really?   

[Andrew Mason]

    You do realize you have the SBT happening as the JFK Limo approaches the Thornton Sign? This position would put the Limo at a point where it is just about straightened out after making the turn onto Elm St. This is close to where Croft were standing on the (S) side of Elm St. And your SBT Shot would be the 2nd shot by 1 shooter inna 3 shot scenario? At some point prior to this, the 1st shot was fired. And there needs to be the required time to work the carcano bolt action between the 1st shot and the SBT/2nd shot. So this means you Now have Shot #1 happening while the JFK Limo is still on Houston approaching the turn onto Elm St. And on top of all of that, you have Shots #1 and #2 being fired much closer together than shots #2 and #3.  Really?

Just to update you: I don't have the SBT happening. There is too much evidence conflicting with it.

The second shot SBT is a non-starter as there are over 20 witnesses who recalled seeing JFK react to the first shot.  Not a single witness said JFK continued to smile and wave after the first shot. 

The evidence from many independent sources puts the first shot occurring when JFK was between the lamp post and the Thornton sign (*1). At that point, JFK was quite visible from the SN:


There is consistent evidence that each shot struck at least one of the men. The first struck JFK.  The second struck JBC in the back (and JFK's hair on the right side flew up at the same time as the second shot, according to George Hickey) and a fragment struck the windshield and frame (Greer sensed a concussion indicating that something hard was struck) and another fragment went a bit higher and on to strike the curb near Tague and hit his cheek.  What the third struck is not an issue.

All I am doing with the 3D model is seeing the trajectory from the SN of a bullet through JFK's neck.  It appears that it could have caused JBC's thigh wound.  He never did notice it.  It is possible that CE399 bullet obliquely struck the thigh butt-first (as Dr. Gregory said) embedded a bit of lead in the femur and then hit something in the car causing it to bounce on JBCs clothing or, possibly, as Landis is now saying, bounced backward off the partition or bar in front of JBC and then into the back seat.

(*1) e.g.  the first shot being after z186 (Betzner) after z181 (VP car occupants) and z191 (VP Security car occupants), before z202 (Phil Willis), between z190 and z202 (Linda Willis based on alignment of JFK and Stemmons sign from her position); Mary Woodward (just after the President passed by where she was standing); witnesses along Elm St. such as Billie Clay and Georgia Hendrix (a few seconds after the president's car passed where they were standing), Gloria Calvary, Karen Westbrook and Carol Reed (the limo was almost directly in front when the first shot occurred).

[Royell Storing]

  Mason -  By not buying into the SBT, you're scenario has a timing issue. The elapsed time between when we see Connally hit and Z313 is too short vs the time it takes to work the bolt action carcano.

[Andrew Mason]

  Mason -  By not buying into the SBT, you're scenario has a timing issue. The elapsed time between when we see Connally hit and Z313 is too short vs the time it takes to work the bolt action carcano.

According to the shot pattern as well as the hair flip seen by Hickey, the second shot occurred between z271-272:


The next shot was after z312 and before the end of z313, which is a difference of 41-42 frames or 2.24 to 2.3 seconds.  The time the shooter requires is the time to reload, reaim and pull the trigger.  If the rifle is strapped to the shooter and resting on a pile of boxes and the target is moving directly away from the shooter (moving a tad left to right between z271 and z313) no reaiming would have been needed.  I think 2.3 seconds is probably doable.  The witnesses said that the shots were in rapid succession, or "'just about as fast as you could expect a man to operate a bolt action rifle" (Emmett Hudson).

[Royell Storing]

According to the shot pattern as well as the hair flip seen by Hickey, the second shot occurred between z271-272:


The next shot was after z312 and before the end of z313, which is a difference of 41-42 frames or 2.24 to 2.3 seconds.  The time the shooter requires is the time to reload, reaim and pull the trigger.  If the rifle is strapped to the shooter and resting on a pile of boxes and the target is moving directly away from the shooter (moving a tad left to right between z271 and z313) no reaiming would have been needed.  I think 2.3 seconds is probably doable.  The witnesses said that the shots were in rapid succession, or "'just about as fast as you could expect a man to operate a bolt action rifle" (Emmett Hudson).

 You're wrong on the time it takes to work/aim the bolt action carcano. As to witnesses, the vast majority claim shots #2 and #3 were very close together. You're now down to your last strike. Better choke up.