Tippit Debate

[Bill Brown]

Mr. BALL. How were these men dressed that were in this showup?
Mr. BOYD. Well, let me think--some of them had coats and slacks....

Mr. BALL Ables was in his shirt sleeves. What about the two officers, Perry?
Mr. BOYD. Now, I remember Perry had on a coat, but he didn't have his shirt buttoned back up at the top, I remember that.

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Don Ables also looked very nice, in a button down sweater, dress slacks, and a collared shirt.

Mr. BALL - How were you dressed when you went in the showup room?
Mr. ABLES - I was wearing a white shirt and this sweater here [indicating].

Mr. BALL - You have a gray-knit sweater on?
Mr. ABLES - Yes.

Mr. BALL - And dark trousers?
Mr. ABLES - Yes, sir.

Mr. BALL - Have a tie on?
Mr. ABLES - No.

Mr. BALL - Then you were dressed about like you are dressed today, is that right?
Mr. ABLES - Yes.



If I was going to testify before the Warren Commission, I would look my best.
It is a benefit this guy was dressed in nearly the same clothes the day he testified, as he wore in the lineups. He looks sharp.
Lee on the other hand is in a ragged torn shirt and the only one with cuts and bruises on his face, and in later lineups, a T shirt.
He loudly complained about not being allowed a jacket like the others. Line ups simply were not fair. No attorney would have allowed it.

Perry stated that he took off his suit jacket and put on a sports coat.
No other participants in any of the lineups wore a suit jacket.

[Michael Capasse]

Perry stated that he took off his suit jacket and put on a sports coat.
No other participants in any of the lineups wore a suit jacket.

I never said it was more than one  - although Boyd says "some of them" and Bookout said -"jackets on others"
There were only 3 fill ins

Another wore a collared shirt, red vest and dress slacks.
And the third one was "Dapper Don". There he is with a button down sweater, dress slacks and collared shirt.
Meanwhile, Lee had a rats-torn tee shirt, cuts and bruises on his face, and a black eye.

Mr. BOOKHOUT - I recall one of the interviews that he complained about the lineup that he was in,
that he wasn't allowed to wear a jacket similar to jackets worn by others in the lineup.

Lineups were completely unfair and no attorney would've allow them.

[Zeon Mason]

Well that guy that’s wearing a light almost white jacket and dark pants fits better  the description of the shooter than does  Oswald only wearing a brown  long sleeve shirt.

So that might an advantage for Oswald as long as none of the witness were aware of report of a jacket having been discarded by the shooter.

Not really sure how much was known by witnesses from TV, radio and newspaper reports and photos of Oswald before they picked him out of the lineup.

[John Mytton]

I never said it was more than one  - although Boyd says "some of them" and Bookout said -"jackets on others"
There were only 3 fill ins

Another wore a collared shirt, red vest and dress slacks.
And the third one was "Dapper Don". There he is with a button down sweater, dress slacks and collared shirt.
Meanwhile, Lee had a rats-torn tee shirt, cuts and bruises on his face, and a black eye.

Mr. BOOKHOUT - I recall one of the interviews that he complained about the lineup that he was in,
that he wasn't allowed to wear a jacket similar to jackets worn by others in the lineup.

Lineups were completely unfair and no attorney would've allow them.

Well Michael, let's pretend for a moment that the line-ups were unfair.
You with me so far, now consider you were there and saw the guy with a gun, could you be persuaded to pick the wrong guy based on the fact that he had slightly different clothes and a couple of facial injuries?, to be blunt could you send a man to the Electric Chair based on something completely insignificant or would you pick the guy that you actually saw? I actually expect you to be a decent human being and would do the right thing, so would you expect any less of your fellow citizens?

JohnM

[Michael Capasse]

Well Michael, let's pretend for a moment that the line-ups were unfair.
You with me so far, now consider you were there and saw the guy with a gun, could you be persuaded to pick the wrong guy based on the fact that he had slightly different clothes and a couple of facial injuries?, to be blunt could you send a man to the Electric Chair based on something completely insignificant or would you pick the guy that you actually saw? I actually expect you to be a decent human being and would do the right thing, so would you expect any less of your fellow citizens?

JohnM

It's not slightly different clothes, not at all. That's the problem. It became a process of who are you not going to pick.
Lee stood out from the others who were in dress slacks, collared shirts, sport coats, and button down sweater.
Lee had a black eye - cuts on his face and forehead, left with a ragged t-shirt and complained profusely about it.

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[John Mytton]

It's not slightly different clothes, not at all. That's the problem. It became a process of who are you not going to pick.
Lee stood out from the others in dress slacks, collared shirts, sport coats, and button down sweater.
Lee had a black eye - cuts on his face and forehead, left with a ragged t-shirt and complained profusely about it.

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So you're saying that if a man was dressed differently and had facial injuries, you'd be compelled to pick him even though he wasn't the man that you saw? Really?

JohnM

[Bill Brown]

It's not slightly different clothes, not at all. That's the problem. It became a process of who are you not going to pick.
Lee stood out from the others in dress slacks, collared shirts, sport coats, and button down sweater.
Lee had a black eye - cuts on his face and forehead, left with a ragged t-shirt and complained profusely about it.

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Again with the falsehoods.  Oswald only wore the "ragged t-shirt" during the lone  S a t u r d a y   lineup.  All of the Friday lineups had him in his brown shirt.