T.F. Bowley, A Wind-Up Wristwatch & 1:17

[Zeon Mason]

There is Bowleys watch time stamp of 1:10pm. There is Markams clock at 1:04 when she left the house, thus her estimate of 1:06-1:07 of 1st sighting the shooter she thought looked like Oswald as she was on her way to bus stop to wait for a 1:12 bus ( the one she called her 1:15 bus).
There is the hospital emergency room clock, the 1:15 DOA time stamp of the emergency room doctor who pronounced the DOA WHEN the body of Tippit arrives at the hospital AT 1:15.

Note: DOA time stamp is NOT the same as a physicians estimate of death.  DOA document is simply marking the time a body arriving at the emergency  room was declared as received and found to be dead “on arrival”.

Multiple different clocks and witnesses that verify the shooter of Tippit had to have been at 10th and Patton by approx not later than 1:08 so as to have 1 extra minute for the shooter being followed by Tippit, a conversation , the shooting, lingering and throwing shells and running away out of view  before Benevides got out of the car and made the 1st call attempt just before Bowley arrived.

Would people be aware their clocks are running slow by 6 minutes or more since they relied routinely on their clocks and watches to  catch buses on time , drive buses, pick up their children at school on time , and sign important legal documents like DOA time of a body arriving at emergency room of a hospital?

Are we supposed to believe that the school clock and Markams work clock , and Bowleys (an engineer no less) watch, and the bus drivers watch and bus company’s clock and the hospital clock were ALL 6-7 minutes slow?

[John Iacoletti]

How can I be any more clear?  Let's debate the shooting death of J.D. Tippit and Oswald's relationship to that death.  The entire case, Callaway, Butler, loading the body and everything else.  You'd be worthy, unlike someone like Iacoletti who would spend the entire debate saying things like "Oswald's gun LOL".  I know you'd at least discuss the case, which I can respect.

I thought I felt my ears burning.

If you don't want to be LOLed at, then don't make statements of fact that you cannot substantiate as facts.  It's really that simple.  That's not "discussing the case".  That's propagandizing.

As for the Hertz clock and Curry's 12:30 broadcast, that was on police channel 2.  All of the Tippit-related broadcasts were on channel 1.  But your fatal flaw is assuming that you have any basis for determining how much time elapsed between the Tippit shooting and the Benavides/Bowley call.  It's completely speculative.

[John Iacoletti]

However, the police tapes obviously don't mention the body being loaded into the ambulance, but the tapes do tell us when the ambulance was leaving the scene en route to Methodist Hospital.  The tapes tell us that the ambulance was leaving the scene as Callaway was making his report on the squad car radio.

   The tapes tell us that 602 said "602".  That's it.

[Bill Brown]

Only a fool would believe that the police tape time stamps by the dispatcher were off by as much as 7 minutes, which is what would be required for Bowley's watch to be accurate when he looked at it (1:10) upon arriving at the scene.

Could the tapes be off by 60 seconds?  Sure.  But that's pretty much it.

[Dan O'meara]

Only a fool would believe that the police tape time stamps by the dispatcher were off by as much as 7 minutes, which is what would be required for Bowley's watch to be accurate when he looked at it (1:10) upon arriving at the scene.

Could the tapes be off by 60 seconds?  Sure.  But that's pretty much it.

Maybe the tapes were off by two minutes. This isn't inconceivable and is alluded to by Bowles.
This would have Bowley's 1:17pm call really happening at 1:15pm.
And maybe it really said 1:12pm on Bowley's watch and he just rounded it to the nearest 5 minute mark. Not unheard of.
This would give Bowley three minutes to get to the scene, check out Tippit and see what he could do for him and then stand by the patrol car waiting for Benevides to finish messing about on the radio.
And maybe Benevides was in the patrol car for one minute before handing over to Bowley. This would have him entering the patrol car around 1:11pm.
And maybe Benevides was in no rush to get out of his truck in case the shooter came back and he stayed in there for a couple of minutes after the shooting.
And suddenly we have a shooting at 1:09pm.
There's nothing unrealistic about any of the assumptions and it's the same amount of speculating that you or anyone else does trying to ascertain what time the shooting actually happened.

[Zeon Mason]

The Texas theater was kind of SW of Oswald’s boarding house.

So if Oswald was  the shooter at 10th and Patton , he got there (if walking) NOT actually heading SW when he left the boarding house, instead he was going more  in a SE direction which is going away from the theater.

So there might be an alternate motive if Ruby was involved in having set up Oswald , like say having paid Oswald $200 Thursday afternoon to “deliver the special package” on Friday morning to the TSBD loading dock.

( postulate here is that Oswald had been paid on previous occasions working thru Ruby to deliver packages of drugs to the TSBD loading dock annex building where they got distributed to neighboring “consumers”.)

Oswald figured out he had been set up after shots fired from TSBD, and he went home asap to get his pistol , then head to Rubys house which was SE of Oswald’s boarding house.

[Richard Smith]

The Texas theater was kind of SW of Oswald’s boarding house.

So if Oswald was  the shooter at 10th and Patton , he got there (if walking) NOT actually heading SW when he left the boarding house, instead he was going more  in a SE direction which is going away from the theater.

So there might be an alternate motive if Ruby was involved in having set up Oswald , like say having paid Oswald $200 Thursday afternoon to “deliver the special package” on Friday morning to the TSBD loading dock.

( postulate here is that Oswald had been paid on previous occasions working thru Ruby to deliver packages of drugs to the TSBD loading dock annex building where they got distributed to neighboring “consumers”.)

Oswald figured out he had been set up after shots fired from TSBD, and he went home asap to get his pistol , then head to Rubys house which was SE of Oswald’s boarding house.

That's some far out fiction.  It's unfortunate, however, that there is not a single iota of evidence to support any of this.  But I'll play along.  How exactly did Oswald figure out in this scenario that he had been set up as an assassin after the shots were fired?  You have him involved in some type of petty drug transaction.  He would have no apparent reason to believe that he could be linked to a murder.   Why even go through this charade if Ruby was ultimately willing to commit murder and go to prison for the rest of his life?  Why not cut out the middle-man and just have Ruby assassinate JFK?