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That Is Not Officer Haygood = Conspiracy! Prove Me Wrong Challenge
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Dan O'meara on March 24, 2024, 09:54:04 AM ---Just a last update of the route Haygood took through the railroad yard.
Below is a pic by Jim Murray taken shortly after the assassination. Circled on the left is Haygood stood under a tree. Circled on the right is Harkness.
There is only one tree in the railroad yard itself. Below is the updated route of Haygood.
1] Haygood gets off his bike
2] Haygood in Cancellare on the underpass
3] Haygood in Darnell behind Craig
4] Haygood in Darnell walking towards TSBD
5] Haygood in Murray pic under the tree
Can Haygood make this route in 5 minutes?
Easily.
Photographic evidence has Haygood at point [2] about 1 min 40 seconds after shooting. This gives him three to four minutes to walk the route. There is absolutely no reason to believe he could not complete the route in this given time. It's easily done.
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Your posted Murray Photo was taken well after Haygood had already returned to his motorcycle at the Elm Curb. (Even if we ASSUME those DPD Cops are who you claim them to be). And your Haygood route remains incorrect. You still have him running through the Ft. Worth sign. And your #2 Spot on that same diagram is also Wrong regarding where Haygood climbed atop the fence and then came down onto into the railroad yard. I could go on, but even at this very early point in your refutation My Discovery Stands.
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Mitch Todd on March 24, 2024, 02:19:51 PM ---You've been completely unable to demonstrate your contention that the motorcycle officer in the Darnell film is not Haygood. When we strip off your misconceptions, your misunderstandings, and your miscontruals, all we are left with is a base assertion that "Haygood didn't explicitly say he was in the rail yards behind the knoll." Which isn't really an argument. So now you want to shift the burden of proof, and declare yourself the victor. A quaint strategy, but the rest of us see right through it.
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So once again you have Failed to provide EXACTLY WHERE Haygood ran into a "presumed" railroad detective, and then went straight back to his motorcycle? This is Not surprising as the "No Glove Cop" is Not Officer Haygood. And you need to consider that 5 Minute window he has. Like everyone else, you consistently FAIL to consider the Haygood tick/tock consumed while he questioned 2 eyewitnesses BEFORE making that 12:35 radio transmission from his motorcycle. And then we also have the "No Glove Cop" not wearing a glove on his (R) Hand vs Officer Haygood clearly Wearing BOTH GLOVES in the Cancellare photo. Photo Evidence + Film Evidence + Haygood's WC Testimony +5 Minute Window + DPD Uniform Disparity PROVE this "No Glove Cop" is Not Haygood.
Charles Collins:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on March 24, 2024, 09:05:31 PM --- Your posted Murray Photo was taken well after Haygood had already returned to his motorcycle at the Elm Curb. (Even if we ASSUME those DPD Cops are who you claim them to be). And your Haygood route remains incorrect. You still have him running through the Ft. Worth sign. And your #2 Spot on that same diagram is also Wrong regarding where Haygood climbed atop the fence and then came down onto into the railroad yard. I could go on, but even at this very early point in your refutation My Discovery Stands.
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Your posted Murray Photo was taken well after Haygood had already returned to his motorcycle at the Elm Curb.
According to Richard Trask in his book “Pictures of the Pain”, page 494, the next photo that Murray took is the one that includes Amos Euins and also Hugh Betzner wandering around in the parking lot area. Going by memory, I believe that Harkness radioed about having Amos Euins as a witness and taking him to the car in the front of the TSBD building around 12:36. Therefore it appears that the Murray photo that Dan posted was taken well before 12:36. Trask backs up his information with a lot of references including interviews and correspondence with Murray.
Edit: corrected the time to 12:36.
Dan O'meara:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on March 24, 2024, 09:05:31 PM --- Your posted Murray Photo was taken well after Haygood had already returned to his motorcycle at the Elm Curb. (Even if we ASSUME those DPD Cops are who you claim them to be). And your Haygood route remains incorrect. You still have him running through the Ft. Worth sign. And your #2 Spot on that same diagram is also Wrong regarding where Haygood climbed atop the fence and then came down onto into the railroad yard. I could go on, but even at this very early point in your refutation My Discovery Stands.
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Your posted Murray Photo was taken well after Haygood had already returned to his motorcycle at the Elm Curb.
What evidence do you have for this claim?
Dan O'meara:
--- Quote from: Charles Collins on March 25, 2024, 12:14:51 AM ---
Your posted Murray Photo was taken well after Haygood had already returned to his motorcycle at the Elm Curb.
According to Richard Trask in his book “Pictures of the Pain”, page 494, the next photo that Murray took is the one that includes Amos Euins and also Hugh Betzner wandering around in the parking lot area. Going by memory, I believe that Harkness radioed about having Amos Euins as a witness and taking him to the car in the front of the TSBD building around 12:36. Therefore it appears that the Murray photo that Dan posted was taken well before 12:06. Trask backs up his information with a lot of references including interviews and correspondence with Murray.
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Ouch!
I think that pretty much wraps things up here.
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