TSBD Encirclement & Sealing.... Who? When? Where? Why? How?

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Online Marjan Rynkiewicz

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Re: TSBD Encirclement & Sealing.... Who? When? Where? Why? How?
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2024, 11:17:24 PM »
I am thinking that Barnett was indeed talking to Romack.
There could not have been anyone else but Barnett & Romack in that area at less than 120 seconds.
No, Worrell was not in that area at that early time, but Worrell might have been the guy that Sam Pate saw running north many minutes after the shooting. And, that guy did not ever stop (& look back)(or see the killer exiting the dock & running south).
Romack we know had a white shirt & black pants. Strange, no-one wore black pants in 1963. Praps Romack was wearing a tie too.
He was a truck driver, but i think that he was the Office truck driver, & thusly might have dressed up a bit.
Anyhow, i think that Vickie Adams miss-remembered Romack as wearing a suite (no, he was just neatly dressed).
A few minutes later we did have Officers in suites (plain clothes) arriving at the dock (ie Deputy Sheriff Mooney & Co), but Adams was long gone by then.
Before Mooney we had Sam Pate (in a suite probly)(in his KBX radio van)(& his off-sider Dowdle), but that was 3 or 4 minutes after the shots (Adams was long gone).
The cop that stopped Adams (on the tracks NW of the TSBD) had to be Foster (who had been on duty on the TUP). Foster was imo the front runner (cop-wise) re taking sentry near the NW of the TSBD.
From that location Adams (& Styles) could have retraced her steps to the dock, but Adams decided to enter at the front of the TSBD, hence she continued to walk anticlockwise (South-West & then East) as this was the sensible short-cut to the front.
Shelley & Lovelady were near the grassy knoll carpark, & when they entered the TSBD (via the western ramp & door) Foster had (for some reason) already moved on (Foster ended up at the manhole on the south side of Elm St).

One problem is that Barnett never ever said that he talked to Romack.
Another problem is that Romack early on said that he had not talked to Barnett.
Barnett said that he did not leave the dock area until two plainclothes guys took sentry there. But that cant be true. Mooney & Co had to have taken many minutes to get to the dock. Praps Barnett was avoiding admitting that he had handed such a critical duty to a civilian.
And, after Mooney & Co (eventually) got to the dock (took sentry at the dock), Romack then relaxed his own sentry duty (but he did not return to his workplace for some time).

Barnett said that he passed the end of the TSBD by 20ft. But is that 20ft past the main building, or is it 20ft past the annexe.
Barnett said that he watched the cops searching the box-cars. But here he had to have been talking about the box-cars near the grassy knoll carpark, not the box cars near his dock.
To see the box-cars near the grassy knoll carpark Barnett had to have gone well past the box-cars parked near his dock. That would have placed Barnett much closer to Romack who was never very close to the TSBD.
But Adams said that Barnett was 2 yd from the kerb of Houston, but there was no such kerb near the tracks just north of the dock.
Still thinking.
Oswald takes 48 sec to get to the 2nd floor. Oswald spends a further 52 sec near the lunchroom. Oswald exits to Houston & walks north along Houston (say 40 sec)(total time say 140 sec).
Oswald sees Barnett on sentry at the dock. Oswald duz a u-turn & walks south along Houston (& then crosses Houston)(seen by Buell Frazier) (total time say 160 sec).
That fits (just). Barnett inferred that Barnett was near the dock untill almost 140 sec after the shots (Barnett said that he had returned to Elm St at about 150 sec).
So, at say 140 sec, Oswald was looking at Barnett (briefly)(before doing a u-turn), & Barnett was looking towards Oswald (briefly)(after starting to head south).
Yep, that works, just.

If Oswald was a little later, &/or if Barnett was a little earlier, they would have bumped into each other at the SE corner of the TSBD.
Oswald would have tried to look cool, & he would have apologized, & he would have continued (to get his jacket).
Barnett would have wiped the Coke off his uniform, & he would have apologized.
And Tippit would not have happened.
« Last Edit: January 13, 2024, 02:14:42 AM by Marjan Rynkiewicz »

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Re: TSBD Encirclement & Sealing.... Who? When? Where? Why? How?
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2024, 11:31:20 PM »
Oswald takes 48 sec to get to the 2nd floor. Oswald spends a further 52 sec near the lunchroom. Oswald exits to Houston & walks north along Houston (say 40 sec)(total time say 140 sec).
Oswald sees Barnett on sentry at the dock. Oswald duz a u-turn & walks south along Houston (& then crosses Houston)(seen by Buell Frazier) (total time say 160 sec).
That fits (just). Barnett inferred that Barnett was near the dock untill almost 140 sec after the shots (Barnett said that he had returned to Elm St at about 150 sec).
So, at say 140 sec, Oswald was looking at Barnett (briefly)(before doing a u-turn), & Barnett was looking towards Oswald (briefly)(after starting to head south).
Yep, that works, just.

Oswald takes 48 sec to get to the 2nd floor. Oswald spends a further 52 sec near the lunchroom.

Why would he hang around at the lunchroom when he simply could have walked through the office space and leave the building through the front entrance?

Also, a time trial placed Oswald at the top of the stairs on the 6th floor at around 28 seconds after the shots (at the earliest). He only needed 20 seconds to go from the 6th floor to the 2nd floor and Adams and Styles didn't see him? I doubt it.

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Re: TSBD Encirclement & Sealing.... Who? When? Where? Why? How?
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2024, 01:07:00 AM »
Oswald takes 48 sec to get to the 2nd floor. Oswald spends a further 52 sec near the lunchroom.

Why would he hang around at the lunchroom when he simply could have walked through the office space and leave the building through the front entrance?

Also, a time trial placed Oswald at the top of the stairs on the 6th floor at around 28 seconds after the shots (at the earliest). He only needed 20 seconds to go from the 6th floor to the 2nd floor and Adams and Styles didn't see him? I doubt it.
Oswald gets to the 2nd floor after 48 sec.  He stops.  What to do next? 
Should he continue down to the first floor? 
Should he go to the first floor via the front stairs? 
Should he lay low in the lunch room? 
His jacket is in the Domino Room.
Uh Oh -- He hears Adams & Styles klomping down the stairs in a real hurry on a mission.
Best to visit the coke machine & hope that whoever it is goes clean past.
They pass. He comes back out. What to do next?
He can't decide.  He will be less conspicuous if he takes the front stairs, but he would then have to walk back into & throo the storage area to get his jacket in the Domino Room.
He decides to continue down the back stairs.
He makes a start but then Truly hollers up the elevator shaft, so he goes back up.
Then he hears Baker & Truly galloping up the stairs, & he retreats to the coke machine a second time.
He walks slow & cool. 
He would have been better off diving into the lunchroom in a hurry, & laying low, he knows there is no-one in there, but he knows that if seen rushing (by Truly & Co) it will be a sure sign that he is guilty of something.
He nearly makes it, another couple of slow steps & he will be out of sight.
But damn, Baker spots a bit of him throo the glass of the door & says to come back.
Truly confirms that Oswald works here, & Baker & Truly gallop off.
Oswald gets a coke to look less guilty & more cool if confronted again.  And assassinations go better with coke.
The back stairs are now dangerous.  He heads for the front stairs, either forgetting about his jacket or deciding that his jacket is a dead duck.
But just in case more dumb cops are entering along the corridor he goes via the office.
Damn, he meets Jeraldean Reid as she returns to her desk.  She says something as they pass & he mumbles something back.  Its not a good look.  He has no business in the office, unless wanting change for the coke machine. Its not even a short cut to the stairs. Damn.  Anyhow no big deal.
He goes down the front stairs & mixes with the growing throng in the lobby near the front door without raising any suspicion.
Someone asks him about a phone.
Ok, things aint so bad, praps he can take a chance & get his jacket from the Domino Room anyhow.
Hmmm – he can get his jacket by going out the front door & down the steps & around & entering via the Houston dock (like he does each morning), & walking 13 paces to the jacket. 
Getting caught walking in shouldn’t result in getting bitten by a cop.
So, off he goes, but he gets a little ways up Houston & he sees Officer Barnett on sentry duty at the dock, & Barnett looks vicious.
So, a quick U-turn & back down Houston.  Buell Frazier sees him walking south along Houston.
No, the jacket is a dead duck.  He decides to get out of there asap, he crosses Houston & then crosses Elm.
Tippit is waiting.

What i dont explain above is that Oswald fired twice, & then he stood up & back from the window (as per Brennan's testimony) & Oswald saw Hickey fire an accidental auto burst (of at least 4 shots) that hit jfk in the head.
So, my Oswald had a few seconds of start compared to the Oswald-fired-3-shots crowd.
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Re: TSBD Encirclement & Sealing.... Who? When? Where? Why? How?
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2024, 10:36:36 PM »
Circumnavigation Route taken by Adams & Styles & Foster.
I am starting to doubt that Foster could have beaten Adams & Styles to the NW corner of TSBD.
Thems 2 boxcars had zero to do with the TSBD. We can see a white truck loading or unloading one ovem. This was late arvo on Fri 22nov1963.


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Re: TSBD Encirclement & Sealing.... Who? When? Where? Why? How?
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2024, 10:50:51 PM »
Adams & Styles might have exited via the large overhead door, if open,
 in which case Truly & Baker would have been more likely to not see them (even if on first floor at same time).
The plan is wrong, there was no chamfer of the north west corner of the TSBD, there was a full height window there (giving light to the stairwell), but that window was in the western wall not in a chamfer.


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Re: TSBD Encirclement & Sealing.... Who? When? Where? Why? How?
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2024, 11:00:44 PM »
Route taken by Adams & Styles & Foster.
I am starting to doubt that Foster could have beaten Adams & Styles to the NW corner of TSBD.



Thanks for adapting the picture. I wouldn't know how even begin to know how to do that.

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Re: TSBD Encirclement & Sealing.... Who? When? Where? Why? How?
« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2024, 12:27:53 AM »
Thanks for adapting the picture. I wouldn't know how even begin to know how to do that.
I doubt that i am smarter than the average bear.
I open a jpg pix in Microsoft Office 2010. Then i can crop the pix to make it smaller to cut out non-essential areas.
I then open the jpg pix in Paint. Paint allows me to paint/draw lines etc & some standard shapes (eg stars & arrows & words etc).
Microsoft Office 2010 & Paint are sitting on my old computer, as a part of the original package i think, i think everyone has them (my wife always organised our computers, she was a genius)(died 6 years ago).
I then upload the jpg pix (now cropped & painted) to my free postimages account.
I then find the postimages name/code for my uploaded image, & i include that code in my forum posting (i have to add [ img ] in front of code & [ /img ] on end of code).
In the [img] i can make it say [img width=800] to make the image larger (or smaller) in my forum posting if desirable.
The whole process took about 10 minutes for that pix today. Postimages is amazingly friendly, once u get to know it.
« Last Edit: January 11, 2024, 09:22:40 PM by Marjan Rynkiewicz »