Vicki Adams: The Lost Interview

[Dan O'meara]

So hostile and emotional like a spoiled child.  There is nothing in your endless posts on this topic that relate to a "homicide investigation" or Oswald's guilt?  LOL.  What is the whole point of this endless pedantic exercise then?  You are just spending countless words to analyze the movements of people 6o years ago because you find them fascinating?  HA HA HA.   I can understand why you are running away now but you have been suggesting that Oswald - the prime suspect in a homicide - could not have made his way down the stairs unnoticed after the crime.  And thus there is doubt that he is the assassin in a "homicide."   My question to you is simple and does not require another childish tantrum.  If you believe your own nonsense and think it has validity in shedding light on a homicide, why don't you take this "evidence" to the authorities and make your case?  Why repeat it endlessly here?  What do you hope to happen?  This is not a trick question.  That is what any normal person would do if they had relevant information on a homicide.   Let us know what the DPD and FBI make of your arguments.   That seems perfectly reasonable unless you have a dim awareness that your own claims are baseless under scrutiny outside of the Internet.

I can understand why you are running away now but you have been suggesting that Oswald - the prime suspect in a homicide - could not have made his way down the stairs unnoticed after the crime. 

 
Running away from you??
That's like running away from a marshmallow.
And in which post on this thread have I been suggesting that Oswald could not have made his way down the stairs unnoticed?
Or is this another of your moronic lies?[of course it is]

And just for the record, this lost interview with Vicki Adams is evidence I was unfamiliar with and it's completely changed my opinion of this aspect of the case.
It demonstrates that Shelley and Lovelady lied about their movements after the assassination - they lied to the FBI and the Warren Commission under oath.
Of course, this means nothing to you because you're a zealot.
A rabid, frothing-at-the-mouth, fantasist.
In your fantasy it's just another day at the TSBD building, everybody innocently going about their daily tasks unaware that a psychotic loner was in their midst.

But if this was really the case, why would Shelley and Lovelady lie to the FBI and the Warren Commission about their movements after the assassination?
Why did they try to cover up that they had raced to the back of the first floor of immediately after the shooting?
Try to answer these questions without lying or being a moron.

[Dan O'meara]

It doesn’t matter. Baker is entering the TSBD as he stated and is proven by the film. What matters in this discussion was being at the elevator to be seen by Adams and Styles either immediately as you claim or later as to their statements.

Your last few posts show you've clearly lost it Jack.
Your whole fantasy about Adams waiting for five minutes before racing downstairs is based solely on the lies of Shelley and Lovelady, so of course it matters that they were lying.
I'm finding you a bit boring and irrelevant at the moment so I probably won't be bothering with any more of your banality.

[Jack Nessan]

Your last few posts show you've clearly lost it Jack.
Your whole fantasy about Adams waiting for five minutes before racing downstairs is based solely on the lies of Shelley and Lovelady, so of course it matters that they were lying.
I'm finding you a bit boring and irrelevant at the moment so I probably won't be bothering with any more of your banality.

No, Adams and Styles not leaving immediately is based on the testimonies and timestamps provided by Sgt Harkness, Det Sawyer, Officer Barnett, Shelley, Lovelady, Adams, and Styles. The belief Adams and Styles left immediately is based solely on the testimony of Adams and Styles with nothing to support it.

Being bored would explain your overactive imagination.

Bye Dan, Sorry to always have to be the one to bring reality to the fantasy.

[Jack Nessan]

If you can answer my question, just do so, instead of desperately trying to start a discussion.

If you can't provide evidence for your claim that Adams and Styles stayed on the 4th floor for several minutes after the shots, your claim is just as bogus as you are.

Weidman questions and never any answers.

No need to worry if I need fantasy or made-up witnesses, or make-believe evidence I will ask Dan. I am really going to miss you, so much valuable info, but I will manage.

[Dan O'meara]

No, Adams and Styles not leaving immediately is based on the testimonies and timestamps provided by Sgt Harkness, Det Sawyer, Officer Barnett, Shelley, Lovelady, Adams, and Styles. The belief Adams and Styles left immediately is based solely on the testimony of Adams and Styles with nothing to support it.

Being bored would explain your overactive imagination.

Bye Dan, Sorry to always have to be the one to bring reality to the fantasy.

 

I can't let this one go...
In the same short post you write that belief Adams and Styles did not leave immediately is based on the testimony of Adams and Styles and in the next sentence write that the belief Adams and Styles did leave immediately is based solely on the testimony of Adams and Styles!!!
 
Is this you bringing the reality to the fantasy
You are clearly unaware of the utter nonsense you are posting.
And while we're on the subject of fantasy - Harkness, Sawyer and Barnett have absolutely nothing to do with determining how quickly Adams and Styles took off. That is just more of your crazy 

Please keep bringing the reality, it's really funny 

[Dan O'meara]

While the Nutters choke on their own  , let's do a thought experiment.
How fast could Adams and Styles have feasibly made it down to the first floor?
And remember Nutters, this is only a thought experiment.

Vicki stated - "I saw a Secret Service man jump in and the car began speeding toward the triple underpass. Before it reached that I turned to Sandra and I said, 'I want to see what is going on.'

So let's take her at her word. Before the limo has reached the underpass she has decided to race downstairs.

Assumption #1 Let's say that she begins her run from the fourth floor window as the limo reaches the underpass.
Assumption #2 Let's say the headshot is the last shot.
Assumption #3 Vicki runs all the way.

Using Mark Tyler's Motorcade mapping, Vicki's run begins about 8 seconds after the headshot. The Dillard pic is taken about eleven seconds after the headshot.
This means Vicki started her run 3 seconds before the Dillard pic so it is not surprising to find she is nowhere to be seen in it. Conversely, the Dillard pic demonstrates that Vicki had indeed already began her run.
There are two main sections to Vicki's run:
1) From the window to the top of the stairs.
2) Down 3 flights of stairs

I'll deal with the stairs first.
The video below is a timed recreation of Oswald's supposed scurry from the 6th floor to the second floor lunchroom. This means he has to descend four flights of stairs, whereas Vicki descends only three. I will note the time it takes 'Oswald' to reach the second floor, divide this time by four to get the time taken to descend each floor, then time this by three to get an approximate time for how long it took Vicki to descend 3 flights of stairs.
The time trial begins around 6:48 in the video. There is a timer for the trial itself.

In the time trial, 'Oswald' reaches the top of the 6th floor stairs at around 27 seconds.
'Oswald' reaches the second floor at around 46 seconds.
So, in this time trial it took 'Oswald' approximately 19 seconds to descend four flights of stairs.
For ease of arithmetic let's say it took him 20 seconds, that's 5 seconds per floor, which would make it 15 seconds for Vicki to get down the stairs and remember, in the time trial 'Oswald' isn't really running, unlike Vicki, so this estimation of 15 seconds might actually be a little over.

So, how long does it take for Vicki to get from the window to the top of the stairs?
Below is a plan of the fourth floor and the most probable route taken by Adams and Styles.



Using the scale provided in the diagram it is possible to determine that this distance Adams ran is just under 110 feet, but let's call it 110.
Assuming a very modest running speed of 6mph, this distance can be covered in 12.5 seconds.

So, from the moment of the headshot (last shot):

8 seconds pass before Adams sets off.
12.5 seconds to make it from the window to the top of the stairs
15 seconds to make it down to the first floor.

A total of 35.5 seconds for Adams to be on the first floor after the last shot which agrees nicely with her own estimation, given in her WC testimony of less than 60 seconds. This would give Adams enough time to make it down to the first floor and out of the back door before Baker and Truly make it to the elevators. This is the only way the Stroud document can be correct.

[Martin Weidmann]

Weidman questions and never any answers.

No need to worry if I need fantasy or made-up witnesses, or make-believe evidence I will ask Dan. I am really going to miss you, so much valuable info, but I will manage.

So, you can't provide evidence for your bogus claim that Adams and Styles stayed on the 4th floor for several minutes. Got it!

Thanks for the confirmation that the whole thing is indeed a made up fantasy on your part.