Vicki Adams: The Lost Interview

[Martin Weidmann]

Yawn!

Ok let's say that Adams and Styles "IMMEDIATELY" left their window, let's see where that takes us;

1. Adams hallucinated seeing Lovelady and Shelley.
2. Adams didn't see Truly and Baker, the invisible men.
3. Truly and Baker as they RAN across the 1st floor didn't say anything about seeing the invisible women.
4. The Policeman at the railroad tracks somehow within a minute or two, quickly moved behind the TSBD and after seeing Adams RUN from the crime scene tells Adams to return to the building but did absolutely NOTHING about these potential assassins not going back, and instead the Policeman lets the ladies flee the scene? Does that even make sense? Not to me it doesn't!

Now perhaps Adams and Styles were moving like the wind and left the first floor before Baker and Truly arrived, which only means that Oswald simply followed the ladies down the stairs. As I have been constantly telling you, your inability to separate facts from your biased fantasies is truly holding you back!

Btw you better produce a decent alternative to my evidence because otherwise there's no value in responding to your endlessly regurgitated barking at the Moon!

JohnM

1. Adams hallucinated seeing Lovelady and Shelley.

No, she saw Lovelady and Shelley, but where they were about two to three minutes after the shots; at the railway yard west of the building. She just misremembered where she saw them

2. Adams didn't see Truly and Baker, the invisible men.

True, they missed eachother by seconds.

3. Truly and Baker as they RAN across the 1st floor didn't say anything about seeing the invisible women.

How can anybody see "invisible women"?... but yes, they missed the women by seconds

4. The Policeman at the railroad tracks somehow within a minute or two, quickly moved behind the TSBD and after seeing Adams RUN from the crime scene tells Adams to return to the building but did absolutely NOTHING about these potential assassins not going back, and instead the Policeman lets the ladies flee the scene? Does that even make sense? Not to me it doesn't!

Who said the policeman who told Adams to go back inside the building was "behind the TSBD"?
What makes you think that the police man considered Adams and Styles as "potential assassins" when Baker did not consider Oswald to be a "potential killer" and let him go?

Now perhaps Adams and Styles were moving like the wind and left the first floor before Baker and Truly arrived, which only means that Oswald simply followed the ladies down the stairs. As I have been constantly telling you, your inability to separate facts from your biased fantasies is truly holding you back!

Hilarious. Adams and Styles heard nobody else on the stairs and Garner did not see anybody on the 4th floor between Adams and Styles going down and Truly and Baker coming up.
Btw it's not a fact that Oswald came down the stairs at all, it's a figment of your imagination, for which you can not present a shred of evidence.

Btw you better produce a decent alternative to my evidence because otherwise there's no value in responding to your endlessly regurgitated barking at the Moon!

I don't need to produce an alternative to your fictional BS, when you are completely unable to fit your bogus claims about Adams and Styles into the facts based timeline I have presented earlier.

But I can understand why you would want to run away from an argument you already know you can't win!   

[John Mytton]

He was seen by Baker & Truly while he (LHO) was STANDING UP and walking toward the middle of the lunchroom.

Actually he wasn't seen by Truly at all. Truly was already on his way to the 3rd floor when Baker arrived on the 2nd and saw Oswald in the lunchroom.

This means that Oswald must have arrived on the 2nd floor before Truly got there, which in turn means that he, for some reason waited until Baker got there to see him. I'm not sure how many seconds he would have had to wait, but it doesn't really matter. If Oswald came down from the 6th floor and got to the 2nd floor before Truly did, why would he hang around there for even 1 second, when all he had to do is go down the hall to the office area and walk out of the building?

Btw, David, I posted a comprehensive reply to your post and you seem to ignore it. Why is that?

Oswald didn't expect to see the Police Officer!

Truly was YELLING up the elevator shaft, so Oswald quickly ducked into the vestibule.

Mr. BELIN. You might put a "B" on Exhibit 362 by the elevator for "button."
Mr. TRULY. That is right on this surface. There is a little button. I pressed the button and the elevator didn't move.
I called upstairs , "Turn loose the elevator."
Mr. BELIN. When you say call up, in what kind of a voice did you call?
Mr. TRULY. Real loud. I suppose in an excited voice. But loud enough that anyone could have heard me if they had not been over stacking or making a little noise. But I rang the bell and pushed this button.

Then after Truly ran past and up the stairs, it's obvious that Oswald started to open the door and saw Officer Baker.

Mr. DULLES - Had he meanwhile gone on through the door ahead of you?
Mr. BAKER - I can't say whether he had gone on through that door or not. All I did was catch a glance at him, and evidently he was--this door might have been, you know, closing and almost shut at that time.

Then Oswald thinking quickly and not wanting to appear suspicious proceeded into the lunchroom and as Baker says, Oswald was Hurrying!

Mr. DULLES - Could you tell us anything more about his appearance, what he was doing, get an impression of the man at all? Did he seem to be hurrying, anything of that kind?
Mr. BAKER - Evidently he was hurrying because at this point here, I was running, and I ran on over here to this door.
Mr. BELIN - What door number on that?
Mr. BAKER - This would be 23.
Mr. BELIN - All right.
Mr. BAKER - And at that position there he was already down here some 20 feet away from me.

JohnM

[John Mytton]

1. Adams hallucinated seeing Lovelady and Shelley.

No, she saw Lovelady and Shelley, but where they are about two to three minutes after the shots; at the railway yard west of the building. She just misremembered where she saw them

2. Adams didn't see Truly and Baker, the invisible men.

True, they missed eachother by seconds.

3. Truly and Baker as they RAN across the 1st floor didn't say anything about seeing the invisible women.

How can anybody see "invisible women"?... but yes, they missed the women by seconds

4. The Policeman at the railroad tracks somehow within a minute or two, quickly moved behind the TSBD and after seeing Adams RUN from the crime scene tells Adams to return to the building but did absolutely NOTHING about these potential assassins not going back, and instead the Policeman lets the ladies flee the scene? Does that even make sense? Not to me it doesn't!

Who said the policeman who told Adams to go back inside the building was "behind the TSBD"?
What makes you think that the police man considered Adams and Styles as "potential assassins" when Baker did not consider Oswald to be a "potential killer" and let him go?

Now perhaps Adams and Styles were moving like the wind and left the first floor before Baker and Truly arrived, which only means that Oswald simply followed the ladies down the stairs. As I have been constantly telling you, your inability to separate facts from your biased fantasies is truly holding you back!

Hilarious. Adams and Styles heard nobody else on the stairs and Garner did not see anybody on the 4th floor between Adams and Styles going down and Truly and Baker coming up.
Btw it's not a fact that Oswald came down the stairs at all, it's a figment of your imagination, for which you can not present a shred of evidence.

Btw you better produce a decent alternative to my evidence because otherwise there's no value in responding to your endlessly regurgitated barking at the Moon!

I don't need to produce an alternative to your fictional BS, when you are completely unable to fit your bogus claims about Adams and Styles into the facts based timeline I have presented earlier.

But I can understand why you would want to run away from an argument you already know you can't win!   

"misremembered" LOLOLOLOL!

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

Oswald didn't expect to see the Police Officer!

Truly was YELLING up the elevator shaft, so Oswald quickly ducked into the vestibule.

Mr. BELIN. You might put a "B" on Exhibit 362 by the elevator for "button."
Mr. TRULY. That is right on this surface. There is a little button. I pressed the button and the elevator didn't move.
I called upstairs , "Turn loose the elevator."
Mr. BELIN. When you say call up, in what kind of a voice did you call?
Mr. TRULY. Real loud. I suppose in an excited voice. But loud enough that anyone could have heard me if they had not been over stacking or making a little noise. But I rang the bell and pushed this button.

Then after Truly ran past and up the stairs, it's obvious that Oswald started to open the door and saw Officer Baker.

Mr. DULLES - Had he meanwhile gone on through the door ahead of you?
Mr. BAKER - I can't say whether he had gone on through that door or not. All I did was catch a glance at him, and evidently he was--this door might have been, you know, closing and almost shut at that time.

Then Oswald thinking quickly and not wanting to appear suspicious proceeded into the lunchroom and as Baker says, Oswald was Hurrying!

Mr. DULLES - Could you tell us anything more about his appearance, what he was doing, get an impression of the man at all? Did he seem to be hurrying, anything of that kind?
Mr. BAKER - Evidently he was hurrying because at this point here, I was running, and I ran on over here to this door.
Mr. BELIN - What door number on that?
Mr. BAKER - This would be 23.
Mr. BELIN - All right.
Mr. BAKER - And at that position there he was already down here some 20 feet away from me.

JohnM

BS.. According to the LNs, Oswald had just killed Kennedy and wanted to get out of the building as soon as he could. That doesn't include hanging around at the 2nd floor lunchroom, when he could have continued to walk through the office space and out of the front door.

[Martin Weidmann]

"misremembered" LOLOLOLOL!

JohnM

So, only witnesses you say what you like can't misremember. Is that what you are saying?

After coming down the stairs and leaving the TSBD at the loading dock, Adams and Styles ran to the railway track where police officers were already checking cars and where Shelley and Lovelady happened to be! Their testimony puts them there!

They were the first men that she knew who Adams saw after leaving the building. After Jim Leavelle's unanounced visit at her home in February 1964, in which he told a massive lie, the story morphed to Adams seeing both men at the bottom of the stairs, when the testimony of both men makes that a physical impossibility.

[John Mytton]

BS.. According to the LNs, Oswald had just killed Kennedy and wanted to get out of the building as soon as he could. That doesn't include hanging around at the 2nd floor lunchroom, when he could have continued to walk through the office space and out of the front door.

Where did I say Oswald was "hanging around"??

1. After Oswald heard Truly YELLING up the elevator shaft Oswald immediately headed for the lunchroom.
2. Then after Oswald saw Truly run past, Oswald then was going to continue down the stairs.
3. But unfortunately for Oswald as he was opening the door, he unexpectedly saw a Police Officer.
4. Oswald then had two choices, hurriedly move into the relative safety of the Lunchroom or hurriedly move across the 2nd floor and through the office area and how does Oswald explain why he is in the Office because as Reid the clerical supervisor later politely explained "I guess the reason it impressed me seeing him in there I thought it was a little strange that one of -the warehouse boys would be up in the office at the time?"
5. So being left with these two options, Oswald decided to move to the lunchroom.
6. After seeing a Police man going up the stairs, Oswald had no idea if any more Police were in that vicinity, so he made the decision to immediately flee out through the Office area.
7. At no point did Oswald just "hang around"!

JohnM

[John Mytton]

They were the first men that she knew who Adams saw after leaving the building. After Jim Leavelle's unanounced visit at her home in February 1964, in which he told a massive lie, the story morphed to Adams seeing both men at the bottom of the stairs, when the testimony of both men makes that a physical impossibility.

So Adams was not only guilty of misremembering, but she was also easily led? Interesting!

JohnM