Vicki Adams: The Lost Interview

[Martin Weidmann]

I'm so glad you are embracing the Dallas Police Radio Tapes!

1:16  Citizen   Hello, police operator?       
         Dispatcher   Go ahead. Go ahead, citizen using the police radio.       
       Citizen   There's been a shooting out here.       
       Dispatcher   Where's it at?       
         Dispatcher   The citizen using the police radio . . .       
       Citizen   Tenth Street.       
       Dispatcher   What location on Tenth Street?       
       Citizen   Between Marsalis and Beckley. It's a police officer. Somebody shot him. What -- what's . . . 404         Tenth Street.       
       Dispatcher   Can you hear me?       
        (Man and woman's voices in background)       
       Dispatcher   78.       
       Citizen   It's in a police car, number 10.       
       Dispatcher   78.       
       Dispatcher (?)   78.       
       Citizen   Got that?       
       Citizen   Hello, police operator. Did you get that?       
       Dispatcher   Attention. Signal 19, police officer, 510 E. Jefferson.       
       Citizen   Thank you.       
       35 (Ptm. J.M. Lewis)   35.       
       259 (unknown)   259.       
       Dispatcher   The citizen using the police radio: Remain off the radio now.

1:19       602 (ambulance)   What was that address on Jefferson?
           Dispatcher   501 East Tenth.

JohnM

Yes I do embrace them until the 2 minutes long silence between 1:09 and 1:12 and a minutes long slice between 1:12 and 1:15 as well as hardly any radio communication on channel one between the end of Bowley's call and the time call of 1:19. And of course Bowles telling us that timestamps called out by dispatchers do not reflect real time and could be off by several minutes. The fact that there were several conflicting transcripts also did no good for the credibility of the recordings after 1 PM.

Must all be a coincidence, right?

Still trying to score cheap points, I see.... and again failing miserably.

Do you have anything contributory to share or are you just going to keep on trolling?

[John Mytton]

Yes I do embrace them until the 2 minutes long silence between 1:09 and 1:12 and a minutes long slice between 1:12 and 1:15 as well as hardly any radio communication on channel one between the end of Bowley's call and the time call of 1:19. And of course Bowles telling us that timestamps called out by dispatchers do not reflect real time and could be off by several minutes. The fact that there were several conflicting transcripts also did no good for the credibility of the recordings after 1 PM.

Must all be a coincident, right?

Still trying to score cheap points, I see.... and again failing miserably.

Do you have anything contributory to share or are you just going to keep on trolling?

Yes I do embrace them until....

How convenient! LOLOL!

1:15   Dispatcher   10-4, 603. 1:15.       
    20 (Sgt. S.N. Burkhart)   20.       
    45 (Ptm. N.L. Stanglin)   45.       
    Dispatcher   45.       
    45   There's a minor accident in the 5700 block Live Oak. Do you want me to stay here or answer my call?        >
    Dispatcher   Handle the accident. Disregard Live Oak.       
    45   10-4.       
    Dispatcher   91.       
    91 (Ptm. W.D. Mentzel and Ptm. J.W. Courson)   222 en route?       
    Dispatcher   Yes.       
    91   What's his location?       
    Dispatcher   Location?       
    222 (Ptm. V.R. Nolan)   Sylvan and Colorado.       
    Dispatcher   Location?       
    222   Colorado and Sylvan.       
    Dispatcher   Sylvan and Colorado, 91.       
    91   10-4.       
1:16   Dispatcher   Signal 9, contact the manager, 4916 Live Oak. 1:16.       
    47 (Ptm. W.F. Morris)   4916 Live Oak.       
    69 (Ptm. A.R. Brock)   69 clear at the garage.       
    Dispatcher   69 clear. 1:16.
1:16  Citizen   Hello, police operator?       
         Dispatcher   Go ahead. Go ahead, citizen using the police radio.       
       Citizen   There's been a shooting out here.       
       Dispatcher   Where's it at?       
         Dispatcher   The citizen using the police radio . . .       
       Citizen   Tenth Street.       
       Dispatcher   What location on Tenth Street?       
       Citizen   Between Marsalis and Beckley. It's a police officer. Somebody shot him. What -- what's . . . 404         Tenth Street.       
       Dispatcher   Can you hear me?       
        (Man and woman's voices in background)       
       Dispatcher   78.       
       Citizen   It's in a police car, number 10.       
       Dispatcher   78.       
       Dispatcher (?)   78.       
       Citizen   Got that?       
       Citizen   Hello, police operator. Did you get that?       
       Dispatcher   Attention. Signal 19, police officer, 510 E. Jefferson.       
       Citizen   Thank you.       
       35 (Ptm. J.M. Lewis)   35.       
       259 (unknown)   259.       
       Dispatcher   The citizen using the police radio: Remain off the radio now.

1:19    Dispatcher   10-4, 603 and 602. 1:19.

       602 (ambulance)   What was that address on Jefferson?
           Dispatcher   501 East Tenth.

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

How convenient! LOLOL!

1:15   Dispatcher   10-4, 603. 1:15.       
    20 (Sgt. S.N. Burkhart)   20.       
    45 (Ptm. N.L. Stanglin)   45.       
    Dispatcher   45.       
    45   There's a minor accident in the 5700 block Live Oak. Do you want me to stay here or answer my call?        >
    Dispatcher   Handle the accident. Disregard Live Oak.       
    45   10-4.       
    Dispatcher   91.       
    91 (Ptm. W.D. Mentzel and Ptm. J.W. Courson)   222 en route?       
    Dispatcher   Yes.       
    91   What's his location?       
    Dispatcher   Location?       
    222 (Ptm. V.R. Nolan)   Sylvan and Colorado.       
    Dispatcher   Location?       
    222   Colorado and Sylvan.       
    Dispatcher   Sylvan and Colorado, 91.       
    91   10-4.       
1:16   Dispatcher   Signal 9, contact the manager, 4916 Live Oak. 1:16.       
    47 (Ptm. W.F. Morris)   4916 Live Oak.       
    69 (Ptm. A.R. Brock)   69 clear at the garage.       
    Dispatcher   69 clear. 1:16.
1:16  Citizen   Hello, police operator?       
         Dispatcher   Go ahead. Go ahead, citizen using the police radio.       
       Citizen   There's been a shooting out here.       
       Dispatcher   Where's it at?       
         Dispatcher   The citizen using the police radio . . .       
       Citizen   Tenth Street.       
       Dispatcher   What location on Tenth Street?       
       Citizen   Between Marsalis and Beckley. It's a police officer. Somebody shot him. What -- what's . . . 404         Tenth Street.       
       Dispatcher   Can you hear me?       
        (Man and woman's voices in background)       
       Dispatcher   78.       
       Citizen   It's in a police car, number 10.       
       Dispatcher   78.       
       Dispatcher (?)   78.       
       Citizen   Got that?       
       Citizen   Hello, police operator. Did you get that?       
       Dispatcher   Attention. Signal 19, police officer, 510 E. Jefferson.       
       Citizen   Thank you.       
       35 (Ptm. J.M. Lewis)   35.       
       259 (unknown)   259.       
       Dispatcher   The citizen using the police radio: Remain off the radio now.

1:19       602 (ambulance)   What was that address on Jefferson?
           Dispatcher   501 East Tenth.

     Dispatcher   10-4, 605. 1:19.

JohnM

So continue trolling it is 

How convenient! LOLOL!

The fact that there are all sorts of problems with the recordings between 1:09 and 1:15 is surely convenient for the official fairytale. Not so much for the fact-finders and the truth.

We're discussing Adams' timeline here, so don't even bother trying to divert the discussion to the Tippit murder. You won't get another reply.

[John Mytton]

So continue trolling it is 

How convenient! LOLOL!

The fact that there are all sorts of problems with the recordings between 1:09 and 1:15 is surely convenient for the official fairytale. Not so much for the fact-finders and the truth.

We're discussing Adams' timeline here, so don't even bother trying to divert the discussion to the Tippit murder. You won't get another reply.

Good, I don't want another one of your boring, biased, uninformed, silly replies!

Anyway, for anyone who wants to know the truth, the Police Despatcher on Channel 1 gives constant time checks and in the video below you can follow along with the transcript! It's as simple as that.

@ about 55:30 in the video is equivalent to 1:16 in the transcript.

https://www.jfk-assassination.net/dpdtapes/tapes2.htm

And one last consideration for the consistency of the times, Channel 1 just before assassination gives a time check of 12:28 then after a period of timed static picks up again at 12:34, And Channel 2 at just after the time check of 12:28 and the last transmission before 12:30, Curry describes approaching the triple underpass then the Channel 2 despatcher gives a time check at 12:30 and all hell is breaking loose. So as expected the times on this day, the most important day in the Dallas Police Department's year, the times were perfect!



JohnM

[Jack Nessan]

You are forgetting the Officers. The officers were preventing people from leaving the building and were stationed directly behind the building. By Adams and Styles own statements they told them to return to the front and they did.

BS. The back of the building wasn't locked down until 12:36. There were no officers stationed behind the building before that. In the interview, Vickie Adams states that when she left the building she saw an officer standing near Houston street talking to a man in plain clothes, but they were not watching the building and didn't see her.

Mr. BELIN - Is there any other information that you can think of that might be relevant to anything, connected with the assassination?
Miss ADAMS - At the time I left the building on the Houston Street dock, there was an officer standing about 2 yards from the curb, and about from the curb across the street from the Texas School Depository, and about 4 yards from the corner of Houston and Elm, and when we were running out the dock, going around the building, the officer was standing there, and he didn't encounter us or ask us what we were doing or where we were going, and I don't know if that is pertinent.
Mr. BELIN - No one stopped you from getting out of the building when you left?
Miss ADAMS - That's correct.

The officer(s) that told Adams and Styles to return to the building was at the west side of the building where Lovelady saw them;

Mr. LOVELADY - Well, I asked who told her. She said he had been shot so we asked her was she for certain or just had she seen the shot hit him or--she said yes, she had been right close to it to see and she had saw the blood and knew he had been hit but didn't know how serious it was and so the crowd had started towards the railroad tracks back, you know, behind our building there and we run towards that little, old island and kind of down there in that little street. We went as far as the first tracks and everybody was hollering and crying and policemen started running out that way and we said we better get back into the building, so we went back into the west entrance on the back dock had that low ramp and went into the back dock back inside the building.


Adams confirms that she was already "within the tracks", which are west of the building, when a police officer told her to go back

Mr. BELIN - East is here. East is towards Houston, and west is towards the railroad tracks. You went east or west? Towards the railroad tracks or towards Houston Street?
Miss ADAMS - I went west towards the tracks.
Mr. BELIN - How far west did you go?
Miss ADAMS - I went approximately 2 yards within the tracks and there was an officer standing there, and he said, "Get back to the building." And I said, "But I work here."
And he said, "That is tough, get back." I said, "Well, was the President shot?" And he said, "I don't know. Go back." And I said, "All right."
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you do?
Miss ADAMS - I went back, only I went southwest.

You can not produce a shred of evidence that there was an officer at the back of the building, because that's simply a lie!

I have no experience with running in high heels. Do you?

Funny. Yet you claim they could have run the distance of three sides of the building and partly on railroad tracks in two minutes. Go figure!

Yet that is what they said happened. You believe everything else they said but this?

I believe everything else they said simply because it matches all the other evidence. The only thing that doesn't fit is the location where Adams saw Shelley and Lovelady. LNs constantly complain about the fact that all the evidence should be considered combined, yet as soon as it becomes convenient you focus in on one anomaly (likely due to something being misremembered) and ignore everything else.

The evidence that Adams and Styles never left the 4th floor until four minutes after is everywhere. It is the evidence that Adams and Styles left the fourth floor immediately, which does not exist.

Anybody who says something this dumb doesn't know or understand the evidence or is simply lying.

Adams said she left the window immediately, which was confirmed by Garner. The latter also stated the women went down the stairs before Truly and a police man came up. It didn't take the men more than four minutes to get to the 4th floor.

But since you claim that there is evidence for a four minutes delay everywhere, why don't you simply produce it instead of merely claiming there is?

Mr. LOVELADY - Well, I asked who told her. She said he had been shot so we asked her was she for certain or just had she seen the shot hit him or--she said yes, she had been right close to it to see and she had saw the blood and knew he had been hit but didn't know how serious it was and so the crowd had started towards the railroad tracks back, you know, behind our building there and we run towards that little, old island and kind of down there in that little street. We went as far as the first tracks and everybody was hollering and crying and policemen started running out that way and we said we better get back into the building, so we went back into the west entrance on the back dock had that low ramp and went into the back dock back inside the building.”

Maybe try again. I think he is talking about Westbrook. There was more than one policeman in Dealey Plaza that day going in different directions.

“Adams confirms that she was already "within the tracks", which are west of the building, when a police officer told her to go back”
 
Mr. BELIN - East is here. East is towards Houston, and west is towards the railroad tracks. You went east or west? Towards the railroad tracks or towards Houston Street?
Miss ADAMS - I went west towards the tracks.
Mr. BELIN - How far west did you go?
Miss ADAMS - I went approximately 2 yards within the tracks and there was an officer standing there, and he said, "Get back to the building." And I said, "But I work here."
And he said, "That is tough, get back." I said, "Well, was the President shot?" And he said, "I don't know. Go back." And I said, "All right."
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you do?
Miss ADAMS - I went back, only I went southwest.

She was talking about the tracks directly behind the TSBD. They were just locking down the building not half of Dallas.

The tracks are immediately behind the building. The key is they then went Southwest inside of the tracks. Southwest from the rail yard does not lead back to the TSBD, it leads out into Dallas. 

“Miss ADAMS - I went back, only I went southwest.’

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Funny. Yet you claim they could have run the distance of three sides of the building and partly on railroad tracks in two minutes. Go figure!

How far do you think it was? The building is 100ft x 100ft, making your estimate of how far they went less than 300 feet, not a marathon. It can’t be to treacherous they walk through the parking lot every day.

[Martin Weidmann]

Mr. LOVELADY - Well, I asked who told her. She said he had been shot so we asked her was she for certain or just had she seen the shot hit him or--she said yes, she had been right close to it to see and she had saw the blood and knew he had been hit but didn't know how serious it was and so the crowd had started towards the railroad tracks back, you know, behind our building there and we run towards that little, old island and kind of down there in that little street. We went as far as the first tracks and everybody was hollering and crying and policemen started running out that way and we said we better get back into the building, so we went back into the west entrance on the back dock had that low ramp and went into the back dock back inside the building.”

Maybe try again. I think he is talking about Westbrook. There was more than one policeman in Dealey Plaza that day going in different directions.
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What you think is hardly relevant. Show me the evidence for it.

“Adams confirms that she was already "within the tracks", which are west of the building, when a police officer told her to go back”
 
Mr. BELIN - East is here. East is towards Houston, and west is towards the railroad tracks. You went east or west? Towards the railroad tracks or towards Houston Street?
Miss ADAMS - I went west towards the tracks.
Mr. BELIN - How far west did you go?
Miss ADAMS - I went approximately 2 yards within the tracks and there was an officer standing there, and he said, "Get back to the building." And I said, "But I work here."
And he said, "That is tough, get back." I said, "Well, was the President shot?" And he said, "I don't know. Go back." And I said, "All right."
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you do?
Miss ADAMS - I went back, only I went southwest.

She was talking about the tracks directly behind the TSBD. They were just locking down the building not half of Dallas.

The tracks are immediately behind the building. The key is they then went Southwest inside of the tracks. Southwest from the rail yard does not lead back to the TSBD, it leads out into Dallas. 

“Miss ADAMS - I went back, only I went southwest.’

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She was talking about the tracks directly behind the TSBD.

Another opinion for which you offer no evidence. Adams said "I went west towards the tracks". The single track behind the TSBD was directly next to the loading dock. She would not have to run west to get to them. Also, after the police man told them to go back into the building they kept on walking to the front entrance, where they finally did enter. That wouldn't make much sense, if they were still behind the TSBD, because there they could have just turned around and go back inside.

Adams confirmed in her testimony that nobody stopped her as she got out of the building.

Mr. BELIN - No one stopped you from getting out of the building when you left?
Miss ADAMS - That's correct.

Obviously, there was nobody there to stop her!

They were just locking down the building not half of Dallas.

Who said the police man she encountered was involved in locking down the building? Lovelady, who was running to the west of the building, said "policemen starting running out that way",

Mr. LOVELADY - Well, I asked who told her. She said he had been shot so we asked her was she for certain or just had she seen the shot hit him or--she said yes, she had been right close to it to see and she had saw the blood and knew he had been hit but didn't know how serious it was and so the crowd had started towards the railroad tracks back, you know, behind our building there and we run towards that little, old island and kind of down there in that little street. We went as far as the first tracks and everybody was hollering and crying and policemen started running out that way and we said we better get back into the building, so we went back into the west entrance on the back dock had that low ramp and went into the back dock back inside the building.

so there were policemen in the area west of the building well before they started to lockdown the building. In fact, Styles was already near the front entrance before they started the lockdown. She's photographed standing next to Sawyer's car and he arrived at 12:36.

Funny. Yet you claim they could have run the distance of three sides of the building and partly on railroad tracks in two minutes. Go figure!

How far do you think it was? The building is 100ft x 100ft, making your estimate of how far they went less than 300 feet, not a marathon. It can’t be to treacherous they walk through the parking lot every day.

Who says they walked through the parking lot every day?

Btw, I asked you to provide evidence for this claim;

The evidence that Adams and Styles never left the 4th floor until four minutes after is everywhere.

So, why haven't you produced it? You seem to be big on claims but very low on providing evidence to back it up

[Jack Nessan]

What you think is hardly relevant. Show me the evidence for it.

She was talking about the tracks directly behind the TSBD.

Another opinion for which you offer no evidence. Adams said "I went west towards the tracks". The single track behind the TSBD was directly next to the loading dock. She would not have to run west to get to them. Also, after the police man told them to go back into the building they kept on walking to the front entrance, where they finally did enter. That wouldn't make much sense, if they were still behind the TSBD, because there they could have just turned around and go back inside.

Adams confirmed in her testimony that nobody stopped her as she got out of the building.

Mr. BELIN - No one stopped you from getting out of the building when you left?
Miss ADAMS - That's correct.

Obviously, there was nobody there to stop her!

They were just locking down the building not half of Dallas.

Who said the police man she encountered was involved in locking down the building? Lovelady, who was running to the west of the building, said "policemen starting running out that way",

Mr. LOVELADY - Well, I asked who told her. She said he had been shot so we asked her was she for certain or just had she seen the shot hit him or--she said yes, she had been right close to it to see and she had saw the blood and knew he had been hit but didn't know how serious it was and so the crowd had started towards the railroad tracks back, you know, behind our building there and we run towards that little, old island and kind of down there in that little street. We went as far as the first tracks and everybody was hollering and crying and policemen started running out that way and we said we better get back into the building, so we went back into the west entrance on the back dock had that low ramp and went into the back dock back inside the building.

so there were policemen in the area west of the building well before they started to lockdown the building. In fact, Styles was already near the front entrance before they started the lockdown. She's photographed standing next to Sawyer's car and he arrived at 12:36.

Who says they walked through the parking lot every day?

Btw, I asked you to provide evidence for this claim;

So, why haven't you produced it? You seem to be big on claims but very low on providing evidence to back it up

This is interesting. It answers all of your questions. A timeline proposed by Martin Weidmann. It shows Martin Weidmann is well aware of who interacted with who, Shelley and Lovelady talking to Calvary not Westbrook, and Adams and Styles encountering the Policeman at the NW corner of the TSBD and being told to return to the front of the building. Martin then estimates it takes one to two minutes for Adams and Styles to “walk along side the railway track, west of the TSBD and it's warehouse extension”, to return to the front of the building. When did you start claiming the girls were at the railroad yard? It is clear you did not in this timeline.

It would take them two minutes to walk a couple of hundred feet only if they were dragging a leg or crawling.

There are a number of things wrong with this timeline, but the thing Martin is most wrong about is when did the girls leave. Fortunately, Officer Harkness (12:36) and Detective Sawyer (12:37) apply the proper times that can correct the timeline. The encounter with Shelley and Lovelady (12:35) by the first floor elevator as the girls are leaving adds additional proof.

Mr. BALL - Then what happened?
Mr. SHELLEY - Gloria Calvary from South-Western Publishing Co. ran back up there crying and said "The President has been shot"

Martin Weidmann Timeline
12.33.00 Adams and Styles encounter a police officer, somewhere near the North Western corner of the TSBD, and are told to go back to the building. The women walk along side the railway track, west of the TSBD and it's warehouse extension,

Mr. BALL - You came in through the first floor?
Mr. LOVELADY - Right.
Mr. BALL - Who did you see in the first floor?
Mr. LOVELADY - I saw a girl but I wouldn't swear to it it's Vickie.

But Vickie states she saw them.

Do you consider yourself an unreliable opinion?


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Re: If Oswald Was The Assassin, Did He Plan His Escape From The TSBD Very Well?

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For the purpose of this exercise I'll assume that the killer did in fact come down the stairs immediately after the shots. I'll refer to the shooter on the 6th floor as "Oswald"
 
12.30.00 Last shot
 
12.30.30 "Oswald" arrives at the stairs on the 6th floor
              Adams and Styles arrive at the stairs on the 4th floor. Dorothy Garner sees them go down the stairs
              Officer Baker arrives at the front entrance (seen by Lovelady) and meets Truly, after just parking his bike
             
              Shelley and Lovelady are in front of the main entrance of the building. Gloria Calvary tells them the President has been shot.
              They first go to the little traffic island in front of the TSBD and then decide to go, down the dead end street in front of the TSBD,
              towards the railroad yard
              Lovelady and Shelley see Truly and Baker entering the building
 
Mr. BALL - Then what happened?
Mr. SHELLEY - Gloria Calvary from South-Western Publishing Co. ran back up there crying and said "The President has been shot" and Billy Lovelady and myself took off across the street to that little, old island and we stopped there for a minute.
Mr. BALL - Across the street, you mean directly south?
Mr. SHELLEY - Yes, slightly to the right, you know where the light is there?
 
Mr. BALL - Did you see Truly, Mr. Truly and an officer go into the building?
Mr. SHELLEY - Yeah, we saw them right at the front of the building while we were on the island.
Mr. BALL - While you were out there before you walked to the railroad yards?
Mr. SHELLEY - Yes.
 
Mr. BALL - By the time you left the steps had Mr. Truly entered the building?
Mr. LOVELADY - As we left the steps I would say we were at least 15. maybe 25. steps away from the building. I looked back and I saw him and the policeman running into the building.             
 
12:31.00 "Oswald" arrives at the 2nd floor and goes into the lunchroom after decending 4 flights of stairs
              Adams and Styles arrive on the first floor, after decending 3 flights of stairs, and leave the building through the loading door
              just left of the stairs     
              Truly and Baker, somewhat delayed by trying to call the east elevator down, pass the elevator block on the first floor and
              run towards the stairs, just missing the women
 
This timeline demonstrates that if "Oswald" and Adams & Styles both arrive at the stairs 30 seconds after the last shot and they descent the stairs at roughly the same speed, they could in theory have been on the stairs at the same time, with "Oswald" arriving on the 2nd floor around the same time Adams & Styles arrived on the 1st floor.
 
12:31.15 Baker arrives on the 2nd floor (Truly is already climbing the stairs to the 3rd floor) and meets Oswald in the lunchroom
              Adams and Styles arrive at the North East side of the loading dock and go down the stairs
 
12:31.30 Adams and Styles have gone round the most Northern point of the loading dock and start running toward the railroad yard
         
12.33.00 Adams and Styles encounter a police officer, somewhere near the North Western corner of the TSBD, and are told to
              go back to the building. The women walk along side the railway track, west of the TSBD and it's warehouse extension,
              towards the parallel road in the front of the building.
              Shelley and Lovelady are in that same location, roughly where the parallel road dead ends in a parking lot
 
Mr. BALL - Shelley and you went down how far?
Mr. LOVELADY - Well, I would say a good 75, between 75 to 100 yards to the first tracks. See how those tracks goes---
Mr. BALL - You went down the dead end on Elm?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - And down to the first tracks?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes.
           
Mr. BALL - Then you came back. How long did you stay around the railroad tracks?
Mr. LOVELADY - Oh, just a minute, maybe minute and a half.
Mr. BALL - Then what did you do?
Mr. LOVELADY - Came back right through that part where Mr. Campbell, Mr. Truly, and Mr. Shelley park their cars and I came back inside the building.
Mr. BALL - And enter from the rear?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes, sir; sure did.
 
Mr. BALL - What did you and Billy Lovelady do?
Mr. SHELLEY - We walked on down to the first railroad track there on the dead-end street and stood there and watched them searching cars down there in the parking lots for a little while and then we came in through our parking lot at the west end.
Mr. BALL - At the west end?
Mr. SHELLEY - Yes; and then in the side door into the shipping room.
 
12.34.00 Adams and Styles arrive at the road that runs parallel to the TSBD, turn left and walk toward the main entrance.
 
12.35.00 After walking the distance from the warehouse building next to the TSBD, Adams and Styles arrive at the
              front entrance of the building. Styles enters the building straight away, but Adams stays behind to talk to some co-workers.
              The building is not yet sealed off.
 
12.36.00 Adams hears a radio report about the shots having been fired from the TSBD building. She enters the TSBD through the front
              entrance. She persuades the police officer who sealed of the main entrance to let her in. She takes the stairs to the 2nd floor,
              in the hall in the South East corner of the building. She then walks through the office space to the North West corner
              (where the 2nd floor lunchroom is) and takes the freight elevator to the 4th floor with two men she believes to be police
              officers or secret service.
             
              Shelley and Lovelady enter the building and arrive at the first floor where Lovelady - according to his testimony - sees a girl
 
Mr. BALL - You came in through the first floor?
Mr. LOVELADY - Right.
Mr. BALL - Who did you see in the first floor?
Mr. LOVELADY - I saw a girl but I wouldn't swear to it it's Vickie.
 
             Shelley only saw Eddie Piper
 
Mr. BALL - When you came into the shipping room did you see anybody?
Mr. SHELLEY - I saw Eddie Piper.
 
12.37.00 Sgt Harkness seals off the building at the building
 
The times are approximations, but the timeline works perfectly and includes all the known information without any witness having to lie.