Vicki Adams: The Lost Interview

[Charles Collins]

Thanks Tim, that was an interesting interview and finally puts to sleep the fact that Vickie saw Lovelady by the elevators on her way out.

Since the dawn of JFKA conspiracy, the CT's have been saying that Vickie's testimony about seeing Lovelady on the first floor must have been changed because she says she "immediately" left the windows of the 4th floor and didn't see Oswald, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah. I remember when you first produced this testimony mentioning Lovelady with Vickie's correction on the same page, and as one, the CT's cried foul!



Miss ADAMS - A tree. and we heard a shot, and it was a pause, and then a second shot, and then a third shot.
It sounded like a firecracker or a cannon at a football game, it seemed as if it came from the right below rather than from the left above. Possibly because of the report. And after the third shot, following that, the third shot, I went to the back of the building down the back stairs, and encountered Bill Shelley and Bill Lovelady on the first floor on the way out to the Houston Street dock.
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/adams_v.htm

Now from Vickie's own sweet innocent voice, she repeats again that she saw Lovelady by the first floor elevator.



We know from both Lovelady and Shelley that they took some time before they re-entered the building and both Baker and Truly don't recall seeing Vickie coming down the stairs, so the only conclusion is that Oswald came down before Vickie left the 4th floor window and Oswald was in time to see Truly and Baker on the 2nd floor! After all, Vickie had a terrific vantage point to check out the "action", and after hearing the shots, racing out into the open doesn't sound like great idea.

It's also worth noting that after hours of interrogation Oswald slipped up and says he came downstairs.

Mr. HOLMES. He said, as I remember, actually, in answer to questions there, he mentioned that when lunchtime came, one of the Negro employees asked him if. he would like to sit and each lunch with him, and he said, "Yes, but I can't go right now." He said, "You go and take the elevator on down." No, he said, "You go ahead, but send the elevator back up."
He didn't say up where, and he didn't mention what floor he was on. Nobody seemed to ask him.
You see, I assumed that obvious questions like that had been asked in previous interrogation. So I didn't interrupt too much, but he said, "Send the elevator back up to me."
Then he said when all this commotion started, "I just went on downstairs." And he didn't say whether he took the elevator or not. He said, "I went down, and as I started to go out and see what it was all about, a police officer stopped me just before I got to the front door, and started to ask me some questions, and my superintendent of the place stepped up and told the officers that I am one of the employees of the building, so he told me to step aside for a little bit and we will get to you later. Then I just went on out in the crowd to see what it was all about."
And he wouldn't tell what happened then.

Btw Mark Lane sounds like a manipulative Scumbag, who clearly had Vickie under his control and when the Lovelady bit came up, the interview was quickly ended, no doubt Lane knew how devastating this was to the timing of Vickie's actual journey.

JohnM

After all, Vickie had a terrific vantage point to check out the "action"

Absolutely, and, if you think about it a little bit, she must have seen the people running back toward the railroad tracks in order to know that that is where she was headed when she left the window. And it had to take a certain amount of time for the people who did run back there to get to and past Elm Street in front of the TSBD. In other words, Vicky’s time to leave the window and descend the stairs shouldn’t start immediately after the shots. There must have been a period of time that she stayed at the window and observed what was happening below.

[Martin Weidmann]

And once again we have a witness who, according to the LNs, can be mistaken about the moment she left the window (when she clearly states she left immediately after the last shot and is backed up by Dorothy Garner), but she can't be mistaken about when exactly she did see Lovelady and Shelley.

Too bad that Belin didn't take her up on her offer of using a stopwatch to time her actual movements. He must have had his reasons for leaving here, as the only one, out of the reconstructions.

[Michael Capasse]

And once again we have a witness who, according to the LNs, can be mistaken about the moment she left the window (when she clearly states she left immediately after the last shot and is backed up by Dorothy Garner), but she can't be mistaken about when exactly she did see Lovelady and Shelley.

Too bad that Belin didn't take her up on her offer of using a stopwatch to time her actual movements. He must have had his reasons for leaving here, as the only one, out of the reconstructions.

Nutters will tell you they are mistaken even when witnesses themselves insist they were not.

[Jack Nessan]

Nutters will tell you they are mistaken even when witnesses themselves insist they were not.

Must be a couple of terminal bachelors to not know this, but immediately in the female sense is not the same as immediately in the male sense. They encountered police with watches who gave a different version of this worn out story.

[Martin Weidmann]

Must be a couple of terminal bachelors to not know this, but immediately in the female sense is not the same as immediately in the male sense. They encountered police with watches who gave a different version of this worn out story.

but immediately in the female sense is not the same as immediately in the male sense

It's only the first day of the new year and we've already surpassed the lowest level of most pathetic LN arguments. Must be a record!

[John Mytton]

Must be a couple of terminal bachelors to not know this, but immediately in the female sense is not the same as immediately in the male sense. They encountered police with watches who gave a different version of this worn out story.

When is the timespan between approximately 15 and 30 seconds "immediately"?

Mr. BELIN - How long do you think it was between the time the shots were fired and the time you left the window to start toward the stairway?
Miss ADAMS - Between 15 and 30 seconds, estimated, approximately.

immediately
: without interval of time : STRAIGHTWAY
I'll make that call immediately
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/immediately

Vickie couldn't estimate the time to cross the fourth floor but could estimate the much longer journey to the bottom of the stairs? I could understand if Belin was frustrated with Vickie's attitude.

Mr. BELIN - How long do you think it was, or do you think it took you to get from the window to the top of the fourth floor stairs?
Miss ADAMS - I don't think I can answer that question accurately, because the time approximation, without a stopwatch, would be difficult.
Mr. BELIN - How long do you think it took you. to get from the window to the bottom of the stairs on the first floor?
Miss ADAMS - I would say no longer than a minute at the most.

Running down stairs in three inch heels? Really?

Mr. BELIN - You took those stairs. Were you walking or running as you went down the stairs?
Miss ADAMS - I was running. We were running.
Mr. BELIN - What kind of shoes did you have on?
Miss ADAMS - Three-inch heels.
Mr. BELIN - You had heels. Now, as you were running down the stairs, did you encounter anyone?
Miss ADAMS - Not during the actual running down the stairs; no, sir.

JohnM

[Jack Nessan]

but immediately in the female sense is not the same as immediately in the male sense

It's only the first day of the new year and we've already surpassed the lowest level of most pathetic LN arguments. Must be a record!

A terminal bachelor it is. I am not surprised you do not know this about women. It was a somewhat cold and windy day. You obviously could care less how scroungy, disheveled, and frumpy you look but women do care.