The LHO Escape -- Panic and Shock

[Richard Smith]

it seems the point i have made several times now is being ignored . i will say it one last time . the money was found in an old wallet . this was money and even atleast one cheque , monies that oswald placed in that wallet at differing points in time over weeks if not months . and dating from a time prior to them ever living at the paines house . yes oswald may have told marina to take some of that money if she needed , he was after all trying to reconcile with her , and so he may have thought that would make marina happy .

his presence at the paines on thursday was singular ? you mean a singular event ? that he had never gone to the paines on any other night other than a friday ? . if so you will find that to be incorrect .

we know even from one of your very own star witnesses (marina her self ) in testimony that oswald did indeed come home to try and  make things right with her . he tried to talk to her and try to reconcile but she would have none of it . so to say he only went home to get a rifle is not accurate .

oswald as has been said here already was usually quiet and kept to himself , even frazier said it was difficult to get him to talk . but he would talk about his kids . so in that sense i have zero reason to believe that oswald being the way he was would volunteer to tell frazier he was going home on thursday because his marriage was in the crapper .and that he was going there because he was desperate to try and reconcile with her . so i would not be surprised in such a case if oswald or whom ever made up a reason for the trip . you ask why lie ? well ive just given you a valid reason based on our knowledge of oswald as a person .

Oswald must have had the worst luck of any person in history.  Imagine how unlucky that it was that he broke his normal routine to visit the very location where he kept his rifle on the night before the assassination.  That he left his wedding ring that morning.  That he carried a long package to work.  That he was the only TSBD employee to leave identifiable prints on the SN boxes.  Wow.  He was like Mr. Magoo in that old cartoon.  Marina confirmed the money was left on Oswald's last visit.  You try to rebut this by suggesting that the author had CIA connections.  Let me get this one straight.  You think that long after Oswald's death that the CIA needed to influence a book to put out a story that Oswald left some money on his last visit?  Why?  He was dead and the official investigations had linked him to the crime.  And what was in the long packages that he carried that morning if not curtain rods?  How did Oswald's rifle make its way from the Paine garage to the 6th floor of Oswald's place of employment?  Why couldn't his visit wait one more day to his usual Friday visit?  Why did Oswald flee the scene within minutes of the assassination and get a gun? 

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Oswald must have had the worst luck of any person in history.  Imagine how unlucky that it was that he broke his normal routine to visit the very location where he kept his rifle on the night before the assassination.  That he left his wedding ring that morning.  That he carried a long package to work.  That he was the only TSBD employee to leave identifiable prints on the SN boxes.  Wow.  He was like Mr. Magoo in that old cartoon.  Marina confirmed the money was left on Oswald's last visit.  You try to rebut this by suggesting that the author had CIA connections.  Let me get this one straight.  You think that long after Oswald's death that the CIA needed to influence a book to put out a story that Oswald left some money on his last visit?  Why?  He was dead and the official investigations had linked him to the crime.  And what was in the long packages that he carried that morning if not curtain rods?  How did Oswald's rifle make its way from the Paine garage to the 6th floor of Oswald's place of employment?  Why couldn't his visit wait one more day to his usual Friday visit?  Why did Oswald flee the scene within minutes of the assassination and get a gun?

Here is Marina on the accuracy of the book:

Q. And following that then, after you saw the book in its final form, did you read it in its entirety?
A. Yes; I did.
Q. With respect to the matters in the book that you have personal knowledge about, and I take it there are some things in there you simply have no personal knowledge about, but with respect to the things that you do, did you find inaccuracies in the book or things that did not comport with your memory?
A. Well, as far as the facts that came from me or---
Q. Yes, ma'am.
A. That is true but some conclusion that she has to come to on her own, maybe even analyzing my character, that was up to her to decide but the facts were not twisted.
Q. OK, So the facts then that you have knowledge of as portrayed in the book are accurate to the best of your memory?
A. Only the facts that concern my and Lee's life. I am not responsible for other characters, I don't know how true that is.
Q. I understand. At least the facts that concern you and Lee and that you had personal knowledge of after reading the book seemed accurate?
A. Yes

And her view on Priscilla McMillan:
Q. When did you first meet Priscilla Johnson MacMillan?
A. I think in 1964.
Q. And what were the circumstances of that meeting ?
A. Well, he had lots of approaches from different writers or publish- ing companies to write the 'book about and I did not want to or did I have the rights to do anything like that and I was approached by Priscilla MacMillian and then she was Johnson, or by Harper & Rowe and by telegrams or maybe it was a written request and I refused. Then one day she arrived in Dallas and was on my doorstep. I liked the person very much and never changed my opinion of her since then.

Link/source: https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/jfkinfo4/jfk12/marinade.htm

[Martin Weidmann]

Oswald must have had the worst luck of any person in history.  Imagine how unlucky that it was that he broke his normal routine to visit the very location where he kept his rifle on the night before the assassination.  That he left his wedding ring that morning.  That he carried a long package to work.  That he was the only TSBD employee to leave identifiable prints on the SN boxes.  Wow.  He was like Mr. Magoo in that old cartoon.  Marina confirmed the money was left on Oswald's last visit.  You try to rebut this by suggesting that the author had CIA connections.  Let me get this one straight.  You think that long after Oswald's death that the CIA needed to influence a book to put out a story that Oswald left some money on his last visit?  Why?  He was dead and the official investigations had linked him to the crime.  And what was in the long packages that he carried that morning if not curtain rods?  How did Oswald's rifle make its way from the Paine garage to the 6th floor of Oswald's place of employment?  Why couldn't his visit wait one more day to his usual Friday visit?  Why did Oswald flee the scene within minutes of the assassination and get a gun?

Try reading this BS while ignoring the questionable claim that Oswald owned a rifle which he stored at Ruth Paine's garage and took to the TSBD on Friday morning. Without that rifle all Richard's assumptions fall apart.

The bottom line is that Richard hasn't got a shred of evidence that Oswald owned a rifle, that he kept it at Ruth Paine's garage, that he took it to the TSBD and/or that it even was the MC rifle that was found on the 6th floor. You can ask Richard for this evidence as much as you like, you will never ever get an answer, because it doesn't exist. Instead, Richard will just go with unsubstantiated assumptions and conjecture.

[John Mytton]

Oswald must have had the worst luck of any person in history.  Imagine how unlucky that it was that he broke his normal routine to visit the very location where he kept his rifle on the night before the assassination.  That he left his wedding ring that morning.  That he carried a long package to work.  That he was the only TSBD employee to leave identifiable prints on the SN boxes.  Wow.  He was like Mr. Magoo in that old cartoon.  Marina confirmed the money was left on Oswald's last visit.  You try to rebut this by suggesting that the author had CIA connections.  Let me get this one straight.  You think that long after Oswald's death that the CIA needed to influence a book to put out a story that Oswald left some money on his last visit?  Why?  He was dead and the official investigations had linked him to the crime.  And what was in the long packages that he carried that morning if not curtain rods?  How did Oswald's rifle make its way from the Paine garage to the 6th floor of Oswald's place of employment?  Why couldn't his visit wait one more day to his usual Friday visit?  Why did Oswald flee the scene within minutes of the assassination and get a gun?

Oswald must have had the worst luck of any person in history.

All very good points but I just would like to add;

Oswald happened to work in the building with a clear view of when the shots took place.
Even though there was only black men and women in the windows facing Elm street, the first Police radio report said a white slim male about 30(Oswald early balding fits) was doing the shooting.
Oswald is on film admitting that he was inn the building at the time without any other alibi.
The 3 distinctly different fibers on the rifle just happened to match the 3 distinctly different fibers shirt he was wearing when arrested, and we know the prohibitive probability is extremely unlikely that they came from elsewhere.
The first cop killed by a firearm in Dallas for years just happened to occur at a time and place that was between Oswald's confirmed leaving the Rooming house and when he was arrested.
The jacket that was discovered in a Parking lot that he just happened to b e seen entering while wearing a jacket.

What an unlucky son of a gun.

JohnM

[John Mytton]

The bottom line is that Richard hasn't got a shred of evidence that Oswald owned a rifle, blah blah blah...

There's way more than a shred of evidence! You're not only an embarrassment to this Forum but the you're an embarrassment to the entire Human Race!





JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

All very good points but I just would like to add;

Oswald happened to work in the building with a clear view of when the shots took place.
Even though there was only black men and women in the windows facing Elm street, the first Police radio report said a white slim male about 30(Oswald early balding fits) was doing the shooting.
Oswald is on film admitting that he was inn the building at the time without any other alibi.
The 3 distinctly different fibers on the rifle just happened to match the 3 distinctly different fibers shirt he was wearing when arrested, and we know the prohibitive probability is extremely unlikely that they came from elsewhere.
The first cop killed by a firearm in Dallas for years just happened to occur at a time and place that was between Oswald's confirmed leaving the Rooming house and when he was arrested.
The jacket that was discovered in a Parking lot that he just happened to b e seen entering while wearing a jacket.

What an unlucky son of a gun.

JohnM

Oswald happened to work in the building with a clear view of when the shots took place.
Even though there was only black men and women in the windows facing Elm street, the first Police radio report said a white slim male about 30(Oswald early balding fits) was doing the shooting.

Wow, now that's what I call rock solid evidence ...BS. Oswald worked in the building so he must be guilty. John just didn't lower the bar for evidence, he buried it 10 feet down.

Oswald is on film admitting that he was inn the building at the time without any other alibi.

Oswald admitted no such thing. All he did was reply to a question by a reporter, saying that he worked in the building, so of course he was inside.

The 3 distinctly different fibers on the rifle just happened to match the 3 distinctly different fibers shirt he was wearing when arrested, and we know the prohibitive probability is extremely unlikely that they came from elsewhere.

Too bad that John can't produce a shred of evidence that shows that Oswald was wearing the same shirt in the morning and at his arrest. And of course John misrepresents the fact that there is a match between 3 fibers when in fact no such thing as a conclusive match can be made.

The first cop killed by a firearm in Dallas for years just happened to occur at a time and place that was between Oswald's confirmed leaving the Rooming house and when he was arrested.

Not true, again... the 10th street location where Tippit was shot is in no way between Oswald's roominghouse and the Texas Theater.

The jacket that was discovered in a Parking lot that he just happened to b e seen entering while wearing a jacket.

What jacket would that be? The white one found by an unidentified officer, or the light gray one that Captain Westbrook somehow obtained and presented to the evidence room with initials on it from officers who never were in the car park (and thus the chain of custody) where allegedly the jacket was found.

And what John, of course, doesn't tell you is that Wesley Buell Frazier and Marina Oswald actually saw Oswald wearing his light gray jacket when he travelled to Irving on Thursday evening. In her testimony Marina actually identified CE 162 as the jacket she had seen, which justifies the question how a jacket that Oswald was wearing in Irving on Thursday evening can end up in the hands of Captain Westbrook on Friday afternoon at around 3 PM? I suggest you don't wait for a reply from John, because you will never get one. At best he'll post some spin and gifs.

[Martin Weidmann]

There's way more than a shred of evidence! You're not only an embarrassment to this Forum but the you're an embarrassment to the entire Human Race!





JohnM

Insults instead of actual evidence. Precisely what you can expect from Mytton when he gets stuck.

None of the Klein's documents actually show that Oswald owned a rifle. At best, the order form and money order proves that Oswald filled out those documents. And of course, a photograph of Oswald holding a rifle, taken some 8 months prior to the assassination, does not prove ownership of a rifle in November 1963.

This is, yet again, just another case where a desperate prosecutor is trying to use some questionable documents to build a circumstantial argument which he then hopes will somehow turn into actual evidence.

Btw, did you notice that John just completely ignored everything else I said and just focused on what he foolishly believed he can prove with some photocopies and a photograph? The conclusion must be that even John understands that he there isn't a shred of evidence that Oswald kept a rifle at Ruth Paine's garage, that he took it to the TSBD and/or that it even was the MC rifle that was found on the 6th floor.

It's wise to pay more attention to what LNs don't say rather than the BS the do say.