When Was JBC Hit?

[Dan O'meara]

JBC is reacting to the shot that JFK is reacting to.   But according to the evidence that is the first shot and he is reacting to hearing it and recognizing it as a rifle shot and realizing that JFK was the likely target.  So he is reacting to it by turning around to look at JFK.  That is not a theory.  That is just going by the evidence. The “theory” is that the evidence is all wrong.

 

Is this what everyone else sees - JBC having a 'concerned' reaction? 
Or is it just Andrew?

[Zeon Mason]

It might  to be a 1.5 sec delayed response to having been hit in the thigh by the Z190 bullet.
It’s the same with JFK. He’s reacting 1.5 secs after being struck by the Z190 bullet.

So the 2 simultaneous movements of both men are 1.5 sec delayed reactions to the Z190
1st shot bullet.

That’s my 2 cents alternative explanation  for the painful expression because I’m not convinced either that the expression on JC’s face is merely fear / concern or whatever. It’s looks like a painful expression to me.

The Z224 SBT scenario is a bullet going thru JFKs back and throat and thru JC’s chest and thru his right hand and into his thigh. A nice all in one kind of solution that only requires JC to be sitting in a really weird uncomfortable position with his buttocks half way off the jump seat while he holds  his hat upside down over the outside of his left leg. And the bullet is supposed to be CE 399 that’s only slightly deformed and the nose remained perfectly undamaged.

So revisiting the A.Mason Z190 1st shot theory once more is not really any more crazy than  the standard SBT

Therefore, at Z224 , Could JC’s expression be a 1.5 second delayed response to
only a thigh wound from the Z190 bullet?

[Dan O'meara]

It might  to be a 1.5 sec delayed response to having been hit in the thigh by the Z190 bullet.
It’s the same with JFK. He’s reacting 1.5 secs after being struck by the Z190 bullet.

So the 2 simultaneous movements of both men are 1.5 sec delayed reactions to the Z190
1st shot bullet.

That’s my 2 cents alternative explanation  for the painful expression because I’m not convinced either that the expression on JC’s face is merely fear / concern or whatever. It’s looks like a painful expression to me.

The Z224 SBT scenario is a bullet going thru JFKs back and throat and thru JC’s chest and thru his right hand and into his thigh. A nice all in one kind of solution that only requires JC to be sitting in a really weird uncomfortable position with his buttocks half way off the jump seat while he holds  his hat upside down over the outside of his left leg. And the bullet is supposed to be CE 399 that’s only slightly deformed and the nose remained perfectly undamaged.

So revisiting the A.Mason Z190 1st shot theory once more is not really any more crazy than  the standard SBT

Therefore, at Z224 , Could JC’s expression be a 1.5 second delayed response to
only a thigh wound from the Z190 bullet?

So, both men are shot, then wait 1.5 seconds before they both undergo radically extreme, and intensely quick reactions.
Trying not to be disrespectful Zeon, but where are you getting the notion from that it would take such an amazingly long time before BOTH men start reacting?
It takes JFK's left arm ONE THIRD OF A SECOND to go from resting at his side to extended upwards. It is an insanely quick reaction. Why would he wait almost FIVE TIMES that length of time before reacting?
JFK's reaction shows clear signs of a neuromuscular effect, we are talking small fractions of a second for these kinds of reflexive reactions. One and a half seconds in this context is an eternity.

[Zeon Mason]

So, both men are shot, then wait 1.5 seconds before they both undergo radically extreme, and intensely quick reactions.
Trying not to be disrespectful Zeon, but where are you getting the notion from that it would take such an amazingly long time before BOTH men start reacting?
It takes JFK's left arm ONE THIRD OF A SECOND to go from resting at his side to extended upwards. It is an insanely quick reaction. Why would he wait almost FIVE TIMES that length of time before reacting?
JFK's reaction shows clear signs of a neuromuscular effect, we are talking small fractions of a second for these kinds of reflexive reactions. One and a half seconds in this context is an eternity.

The Z313 shot there is about 1/2 sec delay for the head snap back and to the left. But I’m not sure about when a bullet goes thru the neck and throat or only into a  thigh if they would react as quickly. Don’t get worried Im going lunatic, I’m
Just playing devils advocate here 

[Andrew Mason]

It might  to be a 1.5 sec delayed response to having been hit in the thigh by the Z190 bullet.
It’s the same with JFK. He’s reacting 1.5 secs after being struck by the Z190 bullet.

JFK started reacting well before z225.  His reaction at z226 and after is not his first reaction.  We can see from his face in z225 that something is already terribly wrong. His turn forward at z194-z198 could be the beginning of a reaction.  The reaction at z226 could be the result of taking his first breath after being hit at z190-z193.

So the 2 simultaneous movements of both men are 1.5 sec delayed reactions to the Z190
1st shot bullet.

JBC’s reaction is slower because he is not reacting to being hit by the first shot.  He never felt the thigh wound. But he recognized the first noise as a rifle shot and took a second or so to assess its significance, realized that an assassination was underway and decided to turn around to check on the President.

That’s my 2 cents alternative explanation  for the painful expression because I’m not convinced either that the expression on JC’s face is merely fear / concern or whatever. It’s looks like a painful expression to me.

The Z224 SBT scenario is a bullet going thru JFKs back and throat and thru JC’s chest and thru his right hand and into his thigh. A nice all in one kind of solution that only requires JC to be sitting in a really weird uncomfortable position with his buttocks half way off the jump seat while he holds  his hat upside down over the outside of his left leg. And the bullet is supposed to be CE 399 that’s only slightly deformed and the nose remained perfectly undamaged.

So revisiting the A.Mason Z190 1st shot theory once more is not really any more crazy than  the standard SBT

Therefore, at Z224 , Could JC’s expression be a 1.5 second delayed response to
only a thigh wound from the Z190 bullet?

He never felt the thigh wound.  So why would he be reacting to that?  He said he reacted to the first shot by turning around to check on JFK. That is what he begins to do at z228 and after.

[Dan O'meara]

JFK started reacting well before z225.  His reaction at z226 and after is not his first reaction.  We can see from his face in z225 that something is already terribly wrong. His turn forward at z194-z198 could be the beginning of a reaction.  The reaction at z226 could be the result of taking his first breath after being hit at z190-z193.
JBC’s reaction is slower because he is not reacting to being hit by the first shot.  He never felt the thigh wound. But he recognized the first noise as a rifle shot and took a second or so to assess its significance, realized that an assassination was underway and decided to turn around to check on the President.He never felt the thigh wound.  So why would he be reacting to that?  He said he reacted to the first shot by turning around to check on JFK. That is what he begins to do at z228 and after.

He never felt the thigh wound.

 

[Dan O'meara]

In 1976 the Itek Corporation, specialists in photographic analysis, looked at the issue of exactly when Connally was showing a reaction to being hit. The following is their report.
By frame 232-234 there is strong evidence that the Governor is reacting to a significant effect on his body; or from other data, to a bullet wound. He placed the time of his reaction at 234. We studied the film in this area to determine if there were any striking changes in his physical appearance which could be interpreted as the onset of a reaction. Five photo analysts studied the original film from frames 222-240. They all concluded independently that somewhere between 223-226 there are signs of the beginning of a significant change in the governor's position and appearance. Some of their comments are paraphrased below.
— As Connally first clears the obscuring sign on frame 221, his facial features are not discernable or distinct. Frames 222 and 223 show no unusual action and Connally's face and features remain frozen (normal). With frame 224, I observe a slight grimace, a minor body twist, a slight arching of the back and a rearward head motion. These reactions continue on frame 225 which includes a slight hiking up in the seat. By frame 226 Connally's head is turned forward which I judged to be a rapid reaction. Frame 227 yields no information due to the high amount of smear, but the following frames 228, 9 and 30 indicate a rapid reaction of the hand holding the Stetson which was flicked up and down quickly.
— I observe a rotation of the Governor's body from right to left beginning at frame 223. It isn't obvious that this is significant relative to the study objective, however I also observe what I would consider an involuntary and unusual motion of his right hand and arm at 225. Before 225, his hand is hidden from Zapruder's view, down below the edge of the door. At 225-226 it can be seen to travel rapidly upward until it is about level with his chin in 228. From 228-230 he flips his hat rapidly. At 229 it appears upside down in his hand with the thin edge of the brim extending toward Zapruder. By 230 the hat has flipped so that one can now see into it. This all takes place within less than 1/3 of a second so it would appear to be somewhat unusual.

— At frame #223 he is turned in the jump seat sitting well into the car. I noticed a facial expression changing between #223 and 224 to a grimacing look. His body has moved forward (toward the edge of the car) with his right shoulder twisting to his left and downward. Between frames #225 and 226 a rapid motion of the Governor's right hand begins, i.e. #225 - his hand inside of car, #226 - his Stetson hat appears over the edge of the car, #228 - the hat is up in front of his chin concealing it. At #229 and 230 he flips his hat from edge on to a view of looking at the inside of it.

Source: "John Kennedy Assassination Film Analysis" — Itek Corporation, May 2, 1976, pp. 36-39 Emphasis in original.
(https://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jbchit.htm)