When Was JBC Hit?

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Online Andrew Mason

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Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2023, 09:25:58 PM »
It is amazing to me how much influence our preconceptions have on what we see in the photographic record. I am not immune to this phenomenon. People who can’t believe the SBT, for whatever reasons, will deny that JBC is reacting to being shot.
He is reacting.
I can't tell from the film whether he is reacting being hit in the back or reacting to hearing the first shot hit JFK and fearing an assassination unfolding (as he said occurred).

The only reason to think that the bullet through JFK's neck hit Connally is that the bullet passed through JFK's neck without deflecting and the car shows no sign of being hit.  Arlen Specter admitted that this was the reason for the SBT.

If that is indeed the case, the SBT must be correct.  The evidence would favour the first shot SBT and we would have to find (as John McCloy did) that the evidence that JBC was hit on the second shot must be wrong.

But if JBC was hit by two bullets and did not feel one because it caused only superficial wound that he did not notice for a few seconds before being hit in the back, then there is no problem with any of the evidence.  In fact, the difference in JBC's wounds could be easily explained as would the condition of CE399.  Tague's evidence that he was struck on the second shot would also fit.  And the trajectory would fit much better.  I can't think of any evidence that does not fit that scenario.


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Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2023, 10:25:36 PM »
It is amazing to me how much influence our preconceptions have on what we see in the photographic record. I am not immune to this phenomenon. People who can’t believe the SBT, for whatever reasons, will deny that JBC is reacting to being shot.

Right.  And people who believe in the single bullet fantasy "see" a simultaneous reaction.  It's a Rorschach test.

Online Dan O'meara

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Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2023, 10:29:27 PM »
He is reacting.
I can't tell from the film whether he is reacting being hit in the back or reacting to hearing the first shot hit JFK and fearing an assassination unfolding (as he said occurred).

The only reason to think that the bullet through JFK's neck hit Connally is that the bullet passed through JFK's neck without deflecting and the car shows no sign of being hit.  Arlen Specter admitted that this was the reason for the SBT.

If that is indeed the case, the SBT must be correct.  The evidence would favour the first shot SBT and we would have to find (as John McCloy did) that the evidence that JBC was hit on the second shot must be wrong.

But if JBC was hit by two bullets and did not feel one because it caused only superficial wound that he did not notice for a few seconds before being hit in the back, then there is no problem with any of the evidence.  In fact, the difference in JBC's wounds could be easily explained as would the condition of CE399.  Tague's evidence that he was struck on the second shot would also fit.  And the trajectory would fit much better.  I can't think of any evidence that does not fit that scenario.

Rather than getting bogged down in various theories, particularly your own, it's more of a general discussion about what we actually see in the Z-film.
You agree JBC is reacting - how would you describe the reaction?

Online Dan O'meara

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Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2023, 10:31:30 PM »
Right.  And people who believe in the single bullet fantasy "see" a simultaneous reaction.  It's a Rorschach test.

What do you see, John?

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Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2023, 10:49:29 PM »
Connally was reacting at Z223 but watching Mrs. Kennedy it seems JFK was hit a bit earlier. She turns and stares at him right after he goes behind the sign.

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Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2023, 11:41:08 PM »
What do you see, John?

Oh that's easy, Iacoletti sees the exact opposite of any evidence that convicts Oswald.

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Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2023, 12:10:21 AM »
Oh that's easy, Iacoletti sees the exact opposite of any evidence that convicts Oswald.

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The interesting thing is that this isn't about people's pet theories, it's just about what the Z-film is showing.
What do people see?
So far there has been a general consensus that JBC is having an extreme reaction that begins around z223/224.
Obviously, people can't resist adding their own spin, be it the SBT or whatever, but it would be interesting to see if a real consensus can be reached over this issue as I believe it would be a first.