From Behind the Fence

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Online John Mytton

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Re: From Behind the Fence
« Reply #35 on: November 26, 2023, 03:30:59 AM »
It's probably worth noting that Dino was 90 years old at the time the video was originally made. That is, he was a 90-year-old man trying to remember something he saw one night 50 years before. It's an awful lot to expect him to remember correctly in detail what everything looked like that night.

The Dino Brugioni interview starts @25:02 and the part where Dino discusses the head explosion is @36:39.

It appears that Dino was talking about only Z313 and a low quality one at that, Dino would have seen a clear excellent version, these interviewers were as they in the classics, are leading the witness.


Even on this lower quality GIF the head mist is seen for several frames and visually dissipates at the same rate as seen in my real world example. On the night Dino would have seen a much clearer version being properly projected.



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Re: From Behind the Fence
« Reply #36 on: November 26, 2023, 05:01:01 AM »
  The crime scene continues being Destroyed to this very day: (1) Moving of the (N) Light Poles from Elm St curb, (2) Removal of Thornton Sign, (3) Removal of Stemmons Sign, (4) Removal of Tree where the Willis girl stopped chasing the JFK Limo. (Tree frequently WAS used to position the JFK Limo for Scientific Re-Enactment Studies), (5) Removal of Fire Escape from the side of the TSBD. (Only 3 windows down from the Snipers Nest), (6) Picket Fence MOVED roughly 5 inches West, etc, etc, etc. And now there is talk of completely shutting down that entire stretch of Elm St and redesigning Dealey Plaza to include ponds. A literal "Deep Sixing" of Dealey Plaza as it appeared on 11/22/63.   

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Hilarious, you don't know if your Martha or Arthur!
On one hand you have repeatedly shouted from the rooftops the virtue of Knott Labs SBF laser scanned recreation and on the other hand you are openly admitting that the laser scanned information that is the very foundation of their work has been destroyed?!?!?

Royell, inadvertently you have always been good for a laugh!

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Re: From Behind the Fence
« Reply #37 on: November 26, 2023, 01:13:04 PM »
Hilarious, you don't know if your Martha or Arthur!
On one hand you have repeatedly shouted from the rooftops the virtue of Knott Labs SBF laser scanned recreation and on the other hand you are openly admitting that the laser scanned information that is the very foundation of their work has been destroyed?!?!?

Royell, inadvertently you have always been good for a laugh!

JohnM

     John - You need to review the extensive process Knott Lab Laser 360 Technology uses to map/restore (if required) a CRIME SCENE. This SCIENCE is accepted in courtrooms across the country. For what You do, You do a decent job. But let's face it. At the tip-top of your game, you're a Neanderthal compared to these guys and the Laser 360 Technology/SCIENCE they employ. SCIENCE has delivered a JFK Assassination verdict. NO SBT = CONSPIRACY. You're day is done regarding the JFK Assassination.     
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Re: From Behind the Fence
« Reply #38 on: November 26, 2023, 04:53:10 PM »
I'm a newbie, and have not done any research on the possibility that a shot was fired from behind the fence.  imho, all shots were fired from behind the presidential limo. But I know that some Parkland doctors believed the throat wound was an entrance wound.  A video on YouTube featuring an interview with railroad supervisor Sam Holland, who was standing on the overpass during the assassination on Nov. 22 has caused me to expand my research.
I assume this is old info to people who support the idea of a shot from the front, but it was new to me. Sam Holland was absolutely convincing, and his statement that the Warren Commission misquoted him on the subject of a shot fired from behind the fence at the top of the grassy knoll was shocking. I didn't realize the overpass where Holland was standing is so close to the fence where he heard a shot and saw gun smoke hanging in the air. I'd like to hear from people who already know this issue, and have viewpoints concerning it. Thanks.

with the greatest of respect here , you say you have not done any research as to whether a shot or shots could have been or where fired from the area of the knoll /picket fence , but immediately in saying that you discount such a notion . how can one admit they never conducted any research into a particular area of this case and then dismiss without that research ? . i am sorry i am not trying to be rude here and i am not attacking you , i just saw what you said above and i thought surely one would want to research this area as it relates to the case before they dismiss it out of hand .

in regards parkland and the staff there . generally (but not always the case ) an entry wound is smaller than an exit wound .dr perry saw a small wound on the throat which led him (rightly or wrongly ) to initially believe the wound was of entry .later in testimony he would say it could have been either entry or exit .

but they also said they saw a large gaping right rear head wound and cerebellum . staff at bethesda including the mortician also said they saw such a wound .

there were 3 people up on the over pass , symmons , dodd and holland who all said they heard a report and saw a puff of smoke under the trees at the knoll .they were not the only ones who said they saw smoke . all be it some people attribute seeing smoke to some who did not specifically say they saw smoke .

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Re: From Behind the Fence
« Reply #39 on: November 26, 2023, 05:52:36 PM »
with the greatest of respect here , you say you have not done any research as to whether a shot or shots could have been or where fired from the area of the knoll /picket fence , but immediately in saying that you discount such a notion . how can one admit they never conducted any research into a particular area of this case and then dismiss without that research ? . i am sorry i am not trying to be rude here and i am not attacking you , i just saw what you said above and i thought surely one would want to research this area as it relates to the case before they dismiss it out of hand .

in regards parkland and the staff there . generally (but not always the case ) an entry wound is smaller than an exit wound .dr perry saw a small wound on the throat which led him (rightly or wrongly ) to initially believe the wound was of entry .later in testimony he would say it could have been either entry or exit .

but they also said they saw a large gaping right rear head wound and cerebellum . staff at bethesda including the mortician also said they saw such a wound .

there were 3 people up on the over pass , symmons , dodd and holland who all said they heard a report and saw a puff of smoke under the trees at the knoll .they were not the only ones who said they saw smoke . all be it some people attribute seeing smoke to some who did not specifically say they saw smoke .

     I believe those eyewitnesses that had an Elevated View also had a greater perspective as to what was going on. Eyewitnesses at ground level were fixated on what was going on at ground level. This is what people generally do. They have a bowling alley perspective of things in general. They seldom look UP, certainly no higher than a regulation basketball hoop/10 ft max. It is therefore Not surprising that eyewitnesses that were positioned along Elm St and looking straight down Elm would FAIL to see smoke or anything else unfolding above the TOP of the Picket Fence at the TOP of the Grassy Knoll. In addition to those gents standing atop the Triple Underpass and looking DOWN into Dealey Plaza/Elm St, Lee Bowers also had a great view from the Top Floor of that 2 story Railroad Tower that he manned on 11/22/63. Bowers was looking almost straight down/directly down the N-S section of the Picket Fence. The WC Testimonies of these people hold Great Value due to their Unique Perspectives.
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Re: From Behind the Fence
« Reply #40 on: November 26, 2023, 11:22:33 PM »
A sniper behind the fence is & was an impossibility.
He she would have been seen as per frame below. And would have been seen by Bowers up in the railway control room. And by Zapruder & Sitzman.



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Re: From Behind the Fence
« Reply #41 on: November 26, 2023, 11:27:39 PM »
99% of what Holland said was krapp.
If u look at all of the pix in Dealey, & all of the footages, u will see that Holland & Co are still on the TUP many minutes after the shots.
So, Holland did not run to the fence after the shots.
Holland hizself says that there were 40 or 50 persons in the carpark when he was looking around in the carpark. So, the footprints & muddy prints etc could have been made after the shots.
Re the supposed smoke, the AR15 would have made a bit of smoke i suppose (4 or 5 shots), & it was just right of the trees from Holland's view.


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