Where Did Prayer Woman Go After The Shooting?

[Frederick Clements]

If only NBC would just release the original films this whole issue of PM could be sorted out.

 Fred

[Alan Ford]

If only NBC would just release the original films this whole issue of PM could be sorted out.

 Fred

No need. It has already been sorted out-------Prayer Man in Darnell is not Mr. Oswald (nor is she Mrs. Sarah Stanton).

Mr. Oswald was indeed on the west side of that doorway when Pres. Kennedy was passing the building. But he's already gone by the time of Darnell.

Ten years ago, Prayer Man in Darnell emerged as a focus of justifiably enormous interest. But now it's just a distraction from the all-important question: Where exactly did LHO go when he "went outside to watch P. Parade"?



Turns out the answer has in fact been hidden in plain sight in the Hughes film all these years. Hughes shows Mr. Oswald taking a drink from the Coke he had shortly before bought from the machine in the second-floor lunchroom:



The longstanding erroneous assumption that this reddish-shirted man is Mr. Billy Lovelady caused all the confusion

[Michael Welch]

I just found this Gerda Dunckel gif of a Bell film frame, in it you will see three workers dressed in their grey colored service station uniforms to the left of the Cowboy in White, who I think is probably Malcolm Price. It is probably one of these three service station men who is already on the TSBD's steps who has been misidentified as Billy Lovelady in Darnell. In this second Gerda gif, a second service station man is headed for the TSBD's steps while the third service station man is watching him. To the left is another group of ladies in white and black heading for the TSBD's steps as well; thus showing there were ladies in black and white in the area that could also be on the steps with the first service station man. Sincerely yours, Michael

[Dan O'meara]

Here is another picture of the four girls in a Couch frame gathered around a street lamp pole on Elm Street. Sincerely yours, Michael

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It would appear one of your "girls" is wearing trousers.
I believe we are looking at A J Millican.
Not to worry.

[Michael Welch]

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It would appear one of your "girls" is wearing trousers.
I believe we are looking at A J Millican.
Not to worry.

Hi Dan, No, it is Karen Westbrook in her two tone tight fitting on the legs white dress! Here is where A. J. is: He keeps by himself! Thank you for your input! Sincerely yours, Michael

[Zeon Mason]

Not sure if there has been a complete speculative sequence constructed for where our hypothetical Oswald went  just after the banner waving with curtain  rod in the approx 20 secs Oswald had  before Baker comes running to the steps ( Baker possibly going slightly off course because Baker saw the woman holding the paper bag up) .

If Oswald was on the lower steps of the west side of the center handrail , at the moment he dropped his banner/curtain rod, then there are  2 possibilities to disappear in 20 secs ( ie: not captured by Darnell film).

1. Oswald goes up the west side of the TSBD steps passing by PM , Buell W. Frazier , past Shelly and the fat Mr.Williams, and Oswald enters the front foyer/lobby and heads to the front storage room by the front staircase.

2.Oswald  leaves the front steps  and runs eastward towards Elm st and Houston st. Intersection and thus is just out of the perspective view of Darnell film.

[Zeon Mason]

A 3rd option: Oswald left the steps about 15 secs post shots and went westward to the SW corner of TSBD, then northward along the west side of TSBD to enter the west side door of the loading dock (annex).

He then entered TSBD from the loading dock annex via the roll up door right beside the rear staircase and elevators and he went up the rear stairs to the 2nd floor lunchroom.
 
The purpose most likely to retrieve a jacket  , which he would have on when he got into Whaleys taxi . It was probably the gray jacket which Oswald had worn to work that Friday when he got the ride with BW Frazier.

Oswald may therefore, have been at the 2nd floor lunchroom door and was In  the small vestibule area when Baker arrived to the landing at about 80 sec post shots.

Oswald Leaving the front steps of TSBD at about 15 secs post shots from the steps, and walking  at pace of 5ft/sec  about 240  ft approx in 30 secs , then up 18 steps in about 15 secs, then across the landing another 15 ft and thru 2 doors  about 5 secs then into the lunchroom some  distance , retrieve jacket and put it on, turn around and go back out, about 10-15 secs, thus about 75-80 secs post shots , Oswald is meeting Baker/Truly on the 2nd floor landing or just as Oswald’s in the vestibule about to either go down outer hallway or exit out onto the 2nd floor landing to go back down  the rear staircase.