Did Marina have a reason to claim the MC rifle belonged to Lee?

[John Mytton]

Beyond proving that Oswald purchased the rifle

What you can not do without making assumptions

What assumptions?

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

What assumptions?

JohnM

That Oswald ordered the rifle for himself.
That Klein's actually sent out a 40" rifle when a 36" rifle was ordered
That Oswald received a rifle through the mail
That a photocopy of an internal Klein's document with a serial number and "PP" handwritten on it is authentic
That Westra, Klein's principal gunsmith was lying when he told the HSCA that Klein's did not mount scopes on 40" MC rifles

[John Mytton]

That Oswald ordered the rifle for himself.
That Klein's actually sent out a 40" rifle when a 36" rifle was ordered
That Oswald received a rifle through the mail
That a photocopy of an internal Klein's document with a serial number and "PP" handwritten on it is authentic
That Westra, Klein's principal gubsmith was lying when he told the HSCA that Klein's did not mount scopes on 40" MC rifles

That Oswald ordered the rifle for himself.

That's a possibility but how did the rifle the exact same rifle that Kliens sent end up at Oswald's work?

That Klein's actually sent out a 40" rifle when a 36" rifle was ordered

Oswald ordered C20-T750 and Oswald received C20-T750.

That Oswald received a rifle through the mail

As explained to you before, not any old rifle but a specific 40 inch italian Carcano which the HSCA forensic expert determined was the exact same rifle as was found on the 6th floor. And the easily accessible visual evidence has not been disputed for over three decades.

That a photocopy of an internal Klein's document with a serial number and "PP" handwritten on it is authentic

Waldman took the print straight from the microfilm.

That Westra, Klein's principal gubsmith was lying when he told the HSCA that Klein's did not mount scopes on 40" MC rifles

Sharp who actually did the work confirmed that he mounted the scope.
https://web.archive.org/web/20150806005342/http://newsarchive.medill.northwestern.edu/chicago/news-226036.html

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

That's a possibility but how did the rifle the exact same rifle that Kliens sent end up at Oswald's work?

Oswald ordered C20-T750 and Oswald received C20-T750.

As explained to you before, not any old rifle but a specific 40 inch italian Carcano which the HSCA forensic expert determined was the exact same rifle as was found on the 6th floor. And the easily accessible visual evidence has not been disputed for over three decades.

Waldman took the print straight from the microfilm.

Sharp who actually did the work confirmed that he mounted the scope.
https://web.archive.org/web/20150806005342/http://newsarchive.medill.northwestern.edu/chicago/news-226036.html

JohnM

That's a possibility but how did the rifle the exact same rifle that Kliens sent end up at Oswald's work?

Did it? First of all, there is no evidence that Klein's sent C2766 to anybody. The only link to the rifle found at the TSBD is the serial number handwritten on a photocopy of an unauthenticated internal document.

Oswald ordered C20-T750 and Oswald received C20-T750.

No. Hidell ordered C20-T750 from Department 358, which is a 36"rifle as advertised in February 1963

As explained to you before, not any old rifle but a specific 40 inch italian Carcano which the HSCA forensic expert determined was the exact same rifle as was found on the 6th floor. And the easily accessible visual evidence has not been disputed for over three decades.

First of all, where would anybody go to dispute that "easily accessible visual evidence"?
And secondly, Ceril Kirk's opinion was not shared by the other photographic specialists on the panel. Cherry pick much?

Waldman took the print straight from the microfilm.

During his testimony, you mean? Sure, but that was months after the FBI took the microfilm and who knows what happened to it after that.

Sharp who actually did the work confirmed that he mounted the scope.

Confirmed it to whom?

[John Mytton]

First of all, where would anybody go to dispute that "easily accessible visual evidence"?
And secondly, Ceril Kirk's opinion was not shared by the other photographic specialists on the panel. Cherry pick much?

No. Hidell ordered C20-T750 from Department 358, which is a 36"rifle as advertised in February 1963

You've been told this before, the Dept number is simply a way to track what order comes from what magazine.

Mr. BELIN. Can you just give us one or more of the magazines in which this coupon might have been taken?
Mr. WALDMAN. Well, this coupon was specifically taken from American Rifleman Magazine, issue of February 1963. It's identified by the department number which is shown as--now, if I can read this--shown as Department 358 on the coupon.

First of all, where would anybody go to dispute that "easily accessible visual evidence"?

And secondly, Ceril Kirk's opinion was not shared by the other photographic specialists on the panel.

cite?

JohnM

[John Iacoletti]

You've been told this before, the Dept number is simply a way to track what order comes from what magazine.

Yes, and that magazine offered a 36” rifle for sale.

cite?

“the Panel's forensic photographic specialist considered this mark to be a random patterning sufficient to warrant a positive identification”

Note that it doesn’t say “the Panel considered…”. And Kirk merely said “tilts the scales”

[John Mytton]

“the Panel's forensic photographic specialist considered this mark to be a random patterning sufficient to warrant a positive identification”

Note that it doesn’t say “the Panel considered…”. And Kirk merely said “tilts the scales”

That doesn't support Martin's claim or answer my question.

Btw have you found any photo expert who refutes The HSCA'a photo exhibit 206? Waiting ZZZzzzzzzzzzzz......

And Kirk merely said “tilts the scales”

"yes, indeed it is the same rifle." "yes, indeed it is the same rifle." "yes, indeed it is the same rifle." "yes, indeed it is the same rifle." "yes, indeed it is the same rifle." "yes, indeed it is the same rifle." "yes, indeed it is the same rifle." "yes, indeed it is the same rifle."
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"Mr. FITHIAN. I am going to ask Mr. McCamy in just a minute about any analysis he performed on this chip. Did you make measurement analysis and so forth?
Mr. McCAMY. Yes.
Mr. FITHIAN. All right. I will come back to you in just a minute. Do you know, Sergeant, whether or not the FBI at the time of the Warren Commission went through a process that would be the equivalent of yours, plus Mr. McCamy's, or can you shed any light on that?
Sergeant KIRK. The only testimony that I found in the Warren Commission report was relying on the testimony from one agent, Agent Shaneyfelt. There is no indication I could find where it was subjected to the analysis that this committee has on this weapon.
Mr. FITHIAN. Mr. McCamy, can you give us any measurement or photogrammetric process or anything that you did to further nail down this I think vital question.
Mr. McCAMY. Yes. We made measurements, measurements on the rifle, and on the photographs to ascertain that indeed this particular chip was in the right place.
Beyond that, however, I went to the Archives and made 21 photographs of the rifle using a variety of different kinds of illumination. On those photographs, it was possible to see a large number of nicks, scratches and so on, distinguishing marks.
I then went back through all of the photographs I had mentioned to you. In many instances--I believe in 56 different instances--I was able to find markings that appear on this rifle that were on the photographs that were made back there on the day of the assassination.
So, we are very confident that this is indeed the rifle that was carried from the book depository--oh, incidentally, I can carry it farther than that.
I found distinguishing marks of this rifle on a motion picture that was made at the time the police officer picked the rifle up off of the floor of the book depository. So that I think is very convincing evidence that it is the rifle."
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/jfkinfo/kirk3.htm

JohnM