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Online Zeon Mason

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Re: Time for Truth
« Reply #259 on: September 07, 2023, 03:43:21 AM »
Does it seem kind of odd that Oswald just didn’t get rid of his revolver ( if he even had one on his  person in the first place), when he observed that

1. He couldn’t escape as the police officers were entering the theater

2. Officer McDonald was searching 2 other people BEFORE having yet approached Oswald .
Now if the  explanation for this keeping the revolver is that Oswald had intention to have a final “shootout”  with cops in the theatre then why did Oswald not pull out the revolver when he STOOD UP to move and then sat down again , which action occurred just as the lights came on and the police were entering  the theater.?

And as for McDonald, Oswald supposedly HIT McDonald and McDonald fell BACKWARD (according to one witness)  and THEN a revolver is seen in the hands of Oswald AND several police including McDonald who bounced back up quickly and grabbed a revolver simultaneously with several OTHER hands on it also.

So it does seem (to me ) that  Oswald must have had the revolver in his hand at some point just after hitting McDonald and its difficult imo to see how the revolver could have  been shoved into Oswald’s hand by McDonald or other cop as a post event set up of Oswald. ( But I could be wrong if McDonald lied as Mr.I has already provide a link that kind of makes one wonder about McDonald).

But what about the firing pin of the revolver?
It was not functional apparently after McDonalds hand web supposedly was able to get stuck in between hammer and pin , which is an amazing thing since the hammer of a revolver doesn’t have to be “cocked” back before firing, One only has to  press the trigger and the hammer is automatically engaged and then released striking the pin.

Would Oswald have been wearing his revolver with the hammer already cocked?

Is this a typical thing with revolvers that a web of  a thumb and forefinger getting caught between hammer and pin as the hammer strikes would cause the firing pin to become permanently dysfunctional thereafter? 

Offline John Iacoletti

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« Reply #260 on: September 07, 2023, 02:55:11 PM »
..or Oswald didn’t have a revolver at all and the gun that was struggled over was a throw-down gun that McDonald brought.

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« Reply #261 on: September 07, 2023, 03:49:14 PM »
How many people have been added to the conspiracy to frame Oswald for the crime within just an hour of the assassination?  And mostly random citizens.  That was quite a plan.  They are willing to lie or avoid telling the truth to help frame Oswald.  Never in their entire lives do they ever say differently or indicate that anyone coerced them into lying.  It's just possible.  Or it can't be disproven with absolute certainty to the subjective satisfaction of CTer/contrarians.  Imagine applying that standard to any other criminal case or fact in human history. 

Online Dan O'meara

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Re: Time for Truth
« Reply #262 on: September 07, 2023, 03:51:15 PM »
..or Oswald didn’t have a revolver at all and the gun that was struggled over was a throw-down gun that McDonald brought.

And how did McDonald know the person he was supposed to framing with the "throw-down gun" was in the Texas Theater?

Online Dan O'meara

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« Reply #263 on: September 07, 2023, 05:02:58 PM »
Brewer's basic story of seeing a man acting suspiciously on the street who he saw go into the Texas Theater and who he followed, is confirmed by a number of eye-witnesses he told this story to before Oswald was arrested.
Postal, Burroughs and Walker confirm the detail that Brewer had mentioned the man ducking into his own store before moving on.
Brewer then points out Oswald as the man who he saw acting suspiciously.


Postal - Well, just as I turned around then Johnny Brewer was standing there and he asked me if the fellow that ducked in bought a ticket, and I said, "No; by golly, he didn't," and turned around expecting to see him... Mr. Brewer said he had been ducking in at his place of business, and he had gone by me, because I was facing west, and I said, "Go in and see if you can see him," it isn't too much people in there.

Burroughs - ...the police were cruising up and down Jefferson hunting for Oswald, and he ran to a shoestore and then came out and came on up to the Texas, and the man [Brewer] came in and told me that a man fitting that description came in the show and he wanted me to help him find him, and we went and checked the exit doors...

Hawkins - I believe Officer McDonald was at the back door at the time and Officer Hutson and Captain Westbrook and Officer Walker and myself went in the rear door, all went to the rear door, and at this time we saw a white male [Brewer] there and began talking to him and he identified himself as being the manager of a shoe store next door and that he was the person who had noted the suspicious acting on the suspect, and he at that time was brought into the rear of the theatre and on the stage and he pointed the person out sitting about three or four rows from the back of the theatre on the right hand or the south side.

Walker- I went in the alley up to the back door. When I arrived there, there was several officers ... around the back of the theatre, and myself, and/McDonald, and Officer Hutson went in the back door. And this man [Brewer] told us, or this boy told us that there was someone, said the person that he had seen was inside the theatre, and that he had changed seats several times, and he thought he was out there in the middle now ... He said he seen him duck into the store where he worked, kind of looked back, and looked like he was running, and just run into the theatre ... He said he looked like he was scared.

Mcdonald - ... And as we got inside the door, we were met by a man that was in civilian clothes [Brewer], a suit, and he told us that the man that acted suspiciously as he ran into the theater was sitting downstairs in the orchestra seats, and not in the balcony. He was sitting at the rear of the theater alone.
Officer Walker and I went to the exit curtains that is to the left of the movie screen. I looked into the audience. I saw the person that the shoe store salesman had pointed out to us.


This doesn't prove beyond a shadow of doubt that the man Brewer pointed out was the same man he saw entering the cinema. It might just be an outrageously perverse coincidence that the man he pointed out was Oswald.
Or maybe Brewer was the man Oswald was going to meet at the cinema and he concocted this story on the spot in order to get the police down there.
And maybe McDonald was carrying a "throw-down gun" with him all that day, knowing that Tippit was going to be shot and that it would be needed to frame the soon-to-be prime suspect in the assassination of JFK, who Brewer was going to throw under the bus.  ::)
« Last Edit: September 07, 2023, 05:05:13 PM by Dan O'meara »

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Time for Truth
« Reply #264 on: September 07, 2023, 05:17:37 PM »
Brewer's basic story of seeing a man acting suspiciously on the street

No: Mr. Brewer's 'basic story' is that this man matched the description of the cop killer he had heard on the radio

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who he saw go into the Texas Theater

No: Mr. Brewer did not see him go into the Texas Theatre

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and who he followed

No: Mr. Brewer returned to the shoe store before re-emerging out onto the street and going down to the Texas Theatre

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Time for Truth
« Reply #265 on: September 07, 2023, 06:33:21 PM »
How many people have been added to the conspiracy to frame Oswald for the crime within just an hour of the assassination?  And mostly random citizens.  That was quite a plan.  They are willing to lie or avoid telling the truth to help frame Oswald.  Never in their entire lives do they ever say differently or indicate that anyone coerced them into lying.  It's just possible.  Or it can't be disproven with absolute certainty to the subjective satisfaction of CTer/contrarians.  Imagine applying that standard to any other criminal case or fact in human history.

Imagine applying the “‘Richard’ imagined it, therefore it’s a fact” standard to another case in human history.