Time for Truth

[Martin Weidmann]

I'm really glad that you do not work for the police (or any position of responsibility).  Thankfully they exercised common sense to remove a killer from the public without anyone else getting killed including Oswald who they had every reason to use lethal force against when he pulled his gun.  Brewer was a hero.  Tippit was a hero.  Postal was a hero. The police officers who risked their lives approaching this cold blood killer in the theatre were heroes.  Top notch police work.

Top notch police work.

LOL

[Alan Ford]

I'm really glad that you do not work for the police (or any position of responsibility).  Thankfully they exercised common sense to remove a killer from the public without anyone else getting killed including Oswald who they had every reason to use lethal force against when he pulled his gun.  Brewer was a hero.  Tippit was a hero.  Postal was a hero. The police officers who risked their lives approaching this cold blood killer in the theatre were heroes.  Top notch police work.

Yeah, top notch-----------they arrested a guy who had shot neither Pres. Kennedy nor Officer Tippit

[Martin Weidmann]

Yeah, top notch-----------they arrested a guy who had shot neither Pres. Kennedy nor Officer Tippit

Let's just have a look at some of the things these "top notch" cops did or did not do.....

They find a jacket under a car, but they don't know the name of the officer who "found" it, nor do they know who the officer was that Captain Westbrook gave that (white) jacket to or how it made it's way to the DPD office. Then, suddenly, the jacket (which is now grey), shows up in the possession again of Captain Westbrook, with markings on it from DPD officers that never handled the jacket and were never part of the chain of custody.

Then we have the BY photos, which the DPD officers allegedly "found" in Ruth Paine's garage during the second search of her home, on Saturday afternoon, with a search warrant. Strangely enough, Michael Paine testified that a FBI agent showed him one of the photos on Friday evening for identification of the location and Fritz already had a blow up of one of the photos on Saturday morning.

Then there is the bus transfer and some bullets that they allegedly "found" on Oswald's person, during, not the first, not the second but the third search of his body. How is that even possible?

Then we have officer Hill, who was given a revolver at the Texas Theatre and was told it belonged to Oswald. Instead of marking it and entering it in the evidence room as soon as he arrived (with Oswald) in the car, he decided to carry it around for a couple of hours and then ask some fellow officers to put markings on a revolver presented to them as being the one that Hill had received at the Texas Theatre.

And it goes on and on. Lt Day claims to have lifted a print from the rifle found at the TSBD. The same rifle that nobody bothered to check if it even had been fired that day. Instead of turning it over to the FBI on Friday evening, Day kept it for several days on an evidence card and only presented it to the FBI on 11/26/63.

A folded up paper bag was allegedly "found" at the so-called sniper's nest at the TSBD, but the first six officers who were in that location did not recall seeing it. Then Studebaker, the second in charge of the forensics department, showed up and failed to photograph that bag in situ. It's only after his arrival, that officers started seeing the paper pag in the sniper's nest. The first time the paper bag is seen in public is when officer Montgomery carried it out of the TSBD in an unfolded state, with something inside holding it up, which means the opening was at the bottom, which allowed for anything inside the bag to fall out. Yet, later, they somehow "found" fibers matching Oswald's blanket in that bag.... Go figure.

It goes on and on.... but, yes, if you disregard all this, they really did a "top notch" job     

[John Iacoletti]

Exactly right Martin. Egregious incompetence and misconduct at every turn. That “Richard” thinks this is “top notch” just demonstrates how delusional (or brainwashed) he is.

[Richard Smith]

Let's just have a look at some of the things these "top notch" cops did or did not do.....

They find a jacket under a car, but they don't know the name of the officer who "found" it, nor do they know who the officer was that Captain Westbrook gave that (white) jacket to or how it made it's way to the DPD office. Then, suddenly, the jacket (which is now grey), shows up in the possession again of Captain Westbrook, with markings on it from DPD officers that never handled the jacket and were never part of the chain of custody.

Then we have the BY photos, which the DPD officers allegedly "found" in Ruth Paine's garage during the second search of her home, on Saturday afternoon, with a search warrant. Strangely enough, Michael Paine testified that a FBI agent showed him one of the photos on Friday evening for identification of the location and Fritz already had a blow up of one of the photos on Saturday morning.

Then there is the bus transfer and some bullets that they allegedly "found" on Oswald's person, during, not the first, not the second but the third search of his body. How is that even possible?

Then we have officer Hill, who was given a revolver at the Texas Theatre and was told it belonged to Oswald. Instead of marking it and entering it in the evidence room as soon as he arrived (with Oswald) in the car, he decided to carry it around for a couple of hours and then ask some fellow officers to put markings on a revolver presented to them as being the one that Hill had received at the Texas Theatre.

And it goes on and on. Lt Day claims to have lifted a print from the rifle found at the TSBD. The same rifle that nobody bothered to check if it even had been fired that day. Instead of turning it over to the FBI on Friday evening, Day kept it for several days on an evidence card and only presented it to the FBI on 11/26/63.

A folded up paper bag was allegedly "found" at the so-called sniper's nest at the TSBD, but the first six officers who were in that location did not recall seeing it. Then Studebaker, the second in charge of the forensics department, showed up and failed to photograph that bag in situ. It's only after his arrival, that officers started seeing the paper pag in the sniper's nest. The first time the paper bag is seen in public is when officer Montgomery carried it out of the TSBD in an unfolded state, with something inside holding it up, which means the opening was at the bottom, which allowed for anything inside the bag to fall out. Yet, later, they somehow "found" fibers matching Oswald's blanket in that bag.... Go figure.

It goes on and on.... but, yes, if you disregard all this, they really did a "top notch" job     

All this from the guy who denies he is alleging a conspiracy or that the evidence was fabricated.  But his constant response to the evidence against Oswald is that some unknown person COULD have fabricated it to frame him.  This is just a lazy defense attorney approach.  There is nothing "allegedly" about any of this evidence. In many cases, there are actually films and photos of the evidence at the crime scene etc. 

[Martin Weidmann]

All this from the guy who denies he is alleging a conspiracy or that the evidence was fabricated.  But his constant response to the evidence against Oswald is that some unknown person COULD have fabricated it to frame him.  This is just a lazy defense attorney approach.  There is nothing "allegedly" about any of this evidence. In many cases, there are actually films and photos of the evidence at the crime scene etc.

Name one thing I said that isn't correct.......

He won't.... Nothing new there. Rather than dealing with actual facts, "Richard", as always, prefers to just ignore them and instead go on another pathetic insignificant off topic rant.

He still hasn't understood (and probably never will) that questioning the evidence against Oswald does not automatically mean alleging a conspiracy. That's just another idiotic strawman used by a guy who fully understands that the evidence against Oswald isn't nearly as conclusive and credible as he would like it to be. That's why he can't stand people looking more closely at the evidence. For "Richard" (and guys like him) it's a simple matter of believing evidence that he can't present because, in the real world, it doesn't exist.

All this from the guy who denies he is alleging a conspiracy or that the evidence was fabricated.

Wrong again. All this from the guy who is stating factual and true information. You should try it once....

But his constant response to the evidence against Oswald is that some unknown person COULD have fabricated it to frame him.

You still haven't grasped the reality of the fact that the person claiming somebody is guilty needs to present credible and authenticated evidence to support his claim. Again, you should try it once.

There is nothing "allegedly" about any of this evidence. 

Total and utter BS. All there is, is "cop said so"....

In many cases, there are actually films and photos of the evidence at the crime scene etc.

Don't just say it (as per usual), but present that film and photographic evidence.... Go on then 

[Alan Ford]

They find a jacket under a car, but they don't know the name of the officer who "found" it

This may be because the jacket was in fact found by Mrs. Doretha Dean (of Dean's Dairy Way), who claimed she found a jacket thrown onto a tire rack. Not dramatically furtive enough-------------------> 'Let's say we found it hidden under a car'

Mr. Dale Myers LOVES Mrs. Dean's story of 'Oswald' making noise at the second-hand furniture store, and so gives it full credence. He dislikes Mrs. Dean's jacket story, however, so dismisses it as an uncredible embellishment............

Those of us not signed-up life members of the Warren Gullibility Fellowship need not be so agenda-driven in our sifting of the evidence.

Tan Jacket Man (the man who shot Officer Tippit) was seen going into the alley off Patton.
Light-Gray Jacket Man (the man who went all the way down Patton AFTER Tan Jacket Man) was in all likelihood the owner of the discarded jacket. Before discarding his jacket, he was seen by Mr. Warren Reynolds going into the furniture store: this sighting formed the basis of the suspect description that would go out on police radio. There is a very good chance THIS man was the man seen a little later by Mrs. Dean (who found his jacket), and after that by Mr. Johnny Calvin Brewer (or was it actually Mr. Tommy Rowe who saw him?).

Mr. Oswald was in the Texas Theatre when all this was going down, moving from seat to seat beside a series of people sitting solo, wondering where the hell his promised contact was. And then the cops came in, which confirmed Mr. Oswald's worst fear: he had been hung out to dry.