Who Killed J.D. Tippit?

[Martin Weidmann]

Supposedly, Rookstool has a copy of a frame of the Reiland film where Croy wrote something about being the guy who "found Oswald's wallet." But Rookstool never quotes Croy as saying that Croy found any Oswald or Hidell ID. Rookstool certainly would have done so had Croy said it himself. Dale Myers interviewed Croy several years before Rookstool, and Myers says that Croy never mentioned anything about finding Oswald or Hidell IDs. So, did Croy know on 11/22 that the wallet was Oswald's? Or did Rookstool present his matching-wallet-flap spiel to an aged Croy who simply went with what he was presented, just like John Stringer did with John Canal's presentation.

FWIW, Ron Reiland said on 11/22/63 that the wallet was Tippit's "billfold". However, he's wrong about a number of details about the crime, so I can't see this statement being definitive in and of itself. Then again Reiland was at the scene filming the Police going through the billfold/wallet/notebook/coffeemaker, and his statement was recorded contemporaneously with the events.

You do understand that you've confirmed that Croy and Reiland agreed with Barrett's statement that their was a wallet found at the Tippit scene, right?

The fact that Croy did not mention the Oswald and Hidell ID's doesn't negate that. Reiland saying that it was Tippit's wallet (which we know from Marie Tippit) it wasn't also does not mean there was no wallet.

So, now we have three people who confirm the presence of a wallet at the Tippit scene.

I bring up the question of, did Westbrook ask anyone else (including and especially the radio dispatcher) about Oswald/Hidell because it's hard to believe that Westbrook would have asked only Barrett, given the situation.  Further, if Westbrook didn't know whether the supposed "Oswald/Hidell" was a bystander, why would he not try to find out who this bystander might be? This of course would involve asking the bystanders at the scene if they were or knew Oswald or Hidell.

Who says that Westbrook didn't ask the bystanders if somebody had lost a wallet? No need to name any names. In fact, it would be wise to withhold the names just in case somebody came forward. He could ask that person for his name and check with the content of the wallet.

As for informing the dispatcher, they didn't even bother to put a description of the killer on the radio, which would have been a lot more effective than broadcasting a name. So, that's a moot point.

[Mitch Todd]

Another word salad typical for Mitch Todd and still nothing new added. It's just a repeat of the same arguments. I am not going to waste my time with a reply, except for this, which you conveniently ignored.

You claimed that Bentley still had the wallet when he went to the Homicide bureau and personnel division office to write reports before giving the wallet to TL Baker.

Gus Rose arrived at the police station shortly before Oswald was brought in. He was the first officer to talk to Oswald and he was given a wallet just before that.

There is no way that could have been the wallet that Bentley had!

This alone destroys most of your long winded arguments, which is, of course, exactly why you ignored it!

This is what Bentley says about his return to Dallas City Hall:

"I turned his identification over to Lt. Baker. I then went to Captain Westbrook's Office to make a report of the arrest.

"I then was told by Inspector Kockos to go to Baylor Hospital to receive treatment for the injured feet I received in making the arrest."

So, Bentley dropped off the ID when Oswald was dropped off in the Homicide office, and before following Hill and Carroll to the Personnel Office. I was a bit wrong in the exact sequence, but compare this to your original assertion that Bentley was whisked off to the hospital as soon as he arrived at City Hall.

Of course, this wrecks your arguments.

[Mitch Todd]

You do understand that you've confirmed that Croy and Reiland agreed with Barrett's statement that their was a wallet found at the Tippit scene, right?

The fact that Croy did not mention the Oswald and Hidell ID's doesn't negate that. Reiland saying that it was Tippit's wallet (which we know from Marie Tippit) it wasn't also does not mean there was no wallet.

So, now we have three people who confirm the presence of a wallet at the Tippit scene.

I didn't say it wasn't a wallet

Who says that Westbrook didn't ask the bystanders if somebody had lost a wallet? No need to name any names. In fact, it would be wise to withhold the names just in case somebody came forward. He could ask that person for his name and check with the content of the wallet.

As for informing the dispatcher, they didn't even bother to put a description of the killer on the radio, which would have been a lot more effective than broadcasting a name. So, that's a moot point.

This was broadcast at 1:34 on channel one:

221 [HW Summers]: Might can give you some additional information. I got an eye-ball witness to the get-away man. That suspect in this shooting is a white male, twenty-seven, five feet eleven, a hundred sixty-five, black wavy hair, fair-complected. Wearing a light grey Eisenhower-type jacket, dark trousers and a white shirt, and (. . . ?). Last seen running on the north side of the street from Patton, on Jefferson, on East Jefferson. And he was apparently armed with a 32 dark-finish automatic pistol which he had in his right hand.

[Martin Weidmann]

This is what Bentley says about his return to Dallas City Hall:

"I turned his identification over to Lt. Baker. I then went to Captain Westbrook's Office to make a report of the arrest.

"I then was told by Inspector Kockos to go to Baylor Hospital to receive treatment for the injured feet I received in making the arrest."

So, Bentley dropped off the ID when Oswald was dropped off in the Homicide office, and before following Hill and Carroll to the Personnel Office. I was a bit wrong in the exact sequence, but compare this to your original assertion that Bentley was whisked off to the hospital as soon as he arrived at City Hall.

Of course, this wrecks your arguments.

And where and when did Bentley say that?

Your first version of the sequence of events didn't work and now you come with a new version. What you don't produce is evidence for your claims. It's about time you show us what Bentley actually said.

I turned his identification over to Lt. Baker.

What identification would that be? The Oswald one or the fake Hidell ID?

I then went to Captain Westbrook's Office to make a report of the arrest.

Where is the report that Bentley wrote in Westbrook's office?

Of course, this wrecks your arguments.

Let's just wait and see what you produce to substantiate your claims.

I didn't say it wasn't a wallet

So, were in agreement that it was indeed a wallet? Good... that's progress.

This was broadcast at 1:34 on channel one:

221 [HW Summers]: Might can give you some additional information. I got an eye-ball witness to the get-away man. That suspect in this shooting is a white male, twenty-seven, five feet eleven, a hundred sixty-five, black wavy hair, fair-complected. Wearing a light grey Eisenhower-type jacket, dark trousers and a white shirt, and (. . . ?). Last seen running on the north side of the street from Patton, on Jefferson, on East Jefferson. And he was apparently armed with a 32 dark-finish automatic pistol which he had in his right hand.

Was Summers anywhere near Westbrook when he called that in?

[John Iacoletti]

Dale Myers interviewed Croy several years before Rookstool, and Myers says that Croy never mentioned anything about finding Oswald or Hidell IDs. So, did Croy know on 11/22 that the wallet was Oswald's? Or did Rookstool present his matching-wallet-flap spiel to an aged Croy who simply went with what he was presented

Ah, the infamous “aged” excuse, like the one used for Bardwell Odum and CE399.

Or maybe Myers is just a lousy and/or dishonest interviewer.

[Walt Cakebread]

Ah, the infamous “aged” excuse, like the one used for Bardwell Odum and CE399.

Or maybe Myers is just a lousy and/or dishonest interviewer.

Early in this thread the discussion was about the witnesses reports about seeing the killer leaving the scene of Tippit's murder.    I knew that discussion would be derailed....because nobody wants to face the fact that Tippit's killer was using a different type revolver than the S&W allegedly taken from Lee Oswald in the theater.

[Mitch Todd]

And where and when did Bentley say that?

Your first version of the sequence of events didn't work and now you come with a new version. What you don't produce is evidence for your claims. It's about time you show us what Bentley actually said.

it's in CE2003. I've already quoted the appropriate part. Now, why don't you show us where you got the idea that "Bentley was injured during the arrest and was taken to hospital as soon as the car arrived at City Hall. When he came back from hospital he still had the wallet he took from Oswald on his person"??

I turned his identification over to Lt. Baker.

What identification would that be? The Oswald one or the fake Hidell ID?

He didn't specify. You don't understand what he wrote?

I then went to Captain Westbrook's Office to make a report of the arrest.

Where is the report that Bentley wrote in Westbrook's office?

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth190315/?q=Oswald%20arrest%20report

Of course, this wrecks your arguments.

Let's just wait and see what you produce to substantiate your claims.

I'm the guy who's been substantiating them. Something that you've consistently failed to do.

So, were in agreement that it was indeed a wallet? Good... that's progress.

What are you talking about? I never claimed that it wasn't a wallet.

Was Summers anywhere near Westbrook when he called that in?

Why does it matter? You claimed that the Tippit suspect's description wasn't broadcast. I showed you where they did. Now you want to change the subject.