Hoover-Johnson Transcript 11/23/63

[Mitch Todd]

LBJ says it himself in the Hoover call: "Have you established any more about the visit to the Soviet embassy in Mexico in September?"

BINGO!!..... HOW did LBJ know about Mexico City?

Well, obviously someone told him about it. When LBJ first made it to the White House, he was given morning briefings by McGeorge Bundy and CIA director John McCone. This was before the Hoover call. McCone's briefing is the most likely source of LBJ's knowledge of Oswald in Mexico City.  The CIA had made the connection between Oswald and the MXC visitor the afternoon of the 22nd, so there was plenty of opportunity for LBJ to have found out the night of the 22nd or early on the 23d.

   And why would he raise the subject....By the time of the telephone call the decision had already been made to back away from trying to show that Lee was a Soviet agent....    LBJ was afraid of a nuclear war.....

Once he knew of the MXC visit, why would he not want to know of any further developments? Whether or not he feared a nuclear war, any Soviet involvement in JFK's assassination would still be an extremely serious matter.

[Richard Smith]

LBJ says it himself in the Hoover call: "Have you established any more about the visit to the Soviet embassy in Mexico in September?"


BINGO!!..... HOW did LBJ know about Mexico City?    And why would he raise the subject....By the time of the telephone call the decision had already been made to back away from trying to show that Lee was a Soviet agent....    LBJ was afraid of a nuclear war.....

You believe that the JFK assassination was some type of pretext for war with Russia, but the conspirators didn't control LBJ whose decision it would have been or contemplate that he might not want a nuclear war?  Rendering this entire plot pointless.  LOL.  Instead, after going to the incredible risk of assassinating a president for this purpose, they immediately give up on it and reverse course entirely to take all blame off Russia and Cuba and put it on poor LHO.  Wow.  Narrative consistency is not a strong point for CTers.

[John Iacoletti]

Narrative consistency is not a strong point for CTers.

“A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" -- Emerson

[Rick Plant]

J. Edgar Hoover: "The evidence that they have at the present time is not very, very strong."

J. Edgar Hoover: "The case, as it stands now, isn't strong enough to be able to get a conviction..."

So, we have J. Edgar Hoover in his own voice and words admitting that the evidence and case against Lee Harvey Oswald is "not very strong" and "isn't strong enough" to get a conviction.
 
The evidence against Oswald should have been overwhelming if he was indeed the lone assassin, but here we have Hoover in a private moment admitting there is no strong evidence against Oswald to even convict him.

[Mitch Todd]

J. Edgar Hoover: "The evidence that they have at the present time is not very, very strong."

J. Edgar Hoover: "The case, as it stands now, isn't strong enough to be able to get a conviction..."

So, we have J. Edgar Hoover in his own voice and words admitting that the evidence and case against Lee Harvey Oswald is "not very strong" and "isn't strong enough" to get a conviction.
 
The evidence against Oswald should have been overwhelming if he was indeed the lone assassin, but here we have Hoover in a private moment admitting there is no strong evidence against Oswald to even convict him.

During the conversation, Hoover hots that FBI had yet to complete fingerprint analysis or ballistic analysis of CE399 or the bullet fragments found on SS100x's floor. The latter of these were what would tie the rifle to the assassination, and (as Hoover noted) the FBI had already tied the rifle to Oswald. That connection made the case much stronger.

[Walt Cakebread]

During the conversation, Hoover hots that FBI had yet to complete fingerprint analysis or ballistic analysis of CE399 or the bullet fragments found on SS100x's floor. The latter of these were what would tie the rifle to the assassination, and (as Hoover noted) the FBI had already tied the rifle to Oswald. That connection made the case much stronger.

Only a simpleton, and a fool, would believe this BS.....

[Martin Weidmann]

During the conversation, Hoover hots that FBI had yet to complete fingerprint analysis or ballistic analysis of CE399 or the bullet fragments found on SS100x's floor. The latter of these were what would tie the rifle to the assassination, and (as Hoover noted) the FBI had already tied the rifle to Oswald. That connection made the case much stronger.

Except there were no fingerprints on the rifle to connect it to anything. At least not in the first 24 hours after the murder, when the FBI lab in Washington examined the weapon and did not even find a trace of a  possibly lifted print.

And ballistic analysis of the bullet now in evidence as CE399 was equally useless, as there is (1) no way to establish that CE399 was ever in Parkland Hospital or (2) fired by the MC rifle on 11/22/63.

The same goes for the bullet fragments that allegedly were found in the Presidential limo at the Secret Service garage, before Frazier and his men got there to examine the car. Frazier was given bullet fragments and told they came from the car. They apparently were collected by two men who didn't have a clue what they were doing and took no pictures of the items in situ and basically just tampered with evidence.

And finally, the only way Oswald is tied to the MC rifle is by the flawed opinion of an FBI expert who claimed that Oswald wrote the order note for Kleins' in Chicago which, in the bigger scheme of things, proves absolutely nothing even if it was true.

Amateur hour all over the place.... and that's what you rely on?