Hoover-Johnson Transcript 11/23/63

[Steve M. Galbraith]

LBJ may or may not have sympathized with fascism, but in this case he was only complicit in the Big Event. He obviously made some sort of deal to allow it to happen and had no intentions of starting WW3, which was the whole point of Oswald being portrayed as a lone nut. LBJ was probably responsible for preventing another Cuban Missile Crisis. Since JFK didn't bite on WW3, LBJ was next in line to carpe diem. Phew, another narrow escape from Armagedon. No wonder LBJ never appointed a VP.  He also made an extra effort to make up for his sin of complicity. You realize he went mad in the end, right?

These fascists who essentially ran the government - or had great influence in it - allowed LBJ to do all of this? They killed JFK to stop him and his liberal policies but then let LBJ do the very things and more that they killed Kennedy for doing or trying to do? You have all of these powerful groups doing all sort of things to stop JFK and then have them powerless to stop LBJ? I would suggest that if LBJ was not one of these fascist murderers he would certainly know they were around? And he still enacted many of JFK's policies? The ones that led to the fascists killing him?

Why did they let LBJ end the covert war on Cuba? Or not push for it (since it was the Kennedys who were behind it anyway). Isn't that, in part, why they killed JFK? He was reaching out to Castro?

None of this, I hope you realize, makes a lick of sense? You have fascists in control, they killed JFK because he was too liberal, and then LBJ comes in and is even more liberal than JFK. That's kind of a dumb theory, don't you think?

[Michael Walton]

There is absolutely no proof that LHO was in MX. Yet, there it is by Hoover himself - that the voice nor the photos match LHO. I'm not saying that Hoover and LBJ planned the assassination. What I am saying is that this was part of the plot - to make subsequent noise with the USSR by trying to make it look like LHO was supposedly down in MX planning the murder with the USSR. LHO was the perfect foil because he lived over there and was supposedly a Marxist. That's why, during his I'm a patsy statement, he also said, "the only reason why I'm involved in this is because I lived in Russia..."

[Mitch Todd]

According to whom, you? Your problem is that this is all you got. You don't debate anything, you just want to ridicule the conspiracy nutjobs as part of your disinformation campaign to deny, deflect and look away at anything that pokes holes in the LN myth. Not very logical of you, but you're not here to solve math problems are you?

I've already spent my allotted time here, because it is a total time suck addressing ad homs from the LNers. So don't think I'm ignoring you if I don't respond to you anymore. I've got better things to do. Later.

Your problem is that this is all you got.

No, the problem here is that you brought nothing. That's what your tautology, a baseless assumption, and a Gish Gallop's worth of non-sequitur all add up to. That's not really my problem; it's yours.


you just want to ridicule the conspiracy nutjobs

Not really, but it can be a fringe benefit on occasion.


your disinformation campaign to deny, deflect and look away at anything that pokes holes in the LN myth.

The only deflection in this thread is your appeal to "secret Nazis" as an attempt to avoid admitting the obvious.


Not very logical of you
 
My logic works just fine. You just haven't been able to engage with it outside of those neo Nazi non-sequiturs.

[Walt Cakebread]

Below is a transcript from a phone call between J. Edgar Hoover and Lyndon B. Johnson November 23 1963, less than 24 hours after JFK was assassinated.

I don't want to debate whether both men could have possibly known all this info in that short a time period, because obviously they did. LNers will never be persuaded that LHO wasn't a lone nut anyway.

However, if you lean towards a conspiracy and Oswald was the patsy, then this transcript demonstrates how far up the ladder it went. Top rung. No wonder Johnson never appointed a VP.

That's a lot to know and do less than a day later. WTF?

The case, as it stands now, isn't strong enough to be able to get a conviction...

J. Edna Hoover said .....

"The case, as it stands now, isn't strong enough to be able to get a conviction"...

At the same time that Hoover was telling LBJ they could not get a conviction , The  DPD (Henry Wade)was telling the press that Lee Oswald was the assassin.

[Walt Cakebread]

Is this a transcript of the whole conversation?
If so, how come LBJ is asking about "the visit to the Soviet embassy in Mexico in September".
He seems more clued up than the head of the FBI.

how come LBJ is asking about "the visit to the Soviet embassy in Mexico in September"

A very astute observation , Mr O'meara!    How did LBJ know about Lee Oswald, and Mexico City??

[Mitch Todd]

J. Edna Hoover said .....

"The case, as it stands now, isn't strong enough to be able to get a conviction"...

At the same time that Hoover was telling LBJ they could not get a conviction , The  DPD (Henry Wade)was telling the press that Lee Oswald was the assassin.

IIRC, Hoover was never a criminal prosecutor, so why would he be considered to be a good authority on convictability?

[Mitch Todd]

how come LBJ is asking about "the visit to the Soviet embassy in Mexico in September"

A very astute observation , Mr O'meara!    How did LBJ know about Lee Oswald, and Mexico City??

I'm amazed that otherwise "smart" people somehow don't realize that telephone, teletype, radio,
and television existed in 1963, and that information could be spread across immense distances
in the blink of an eye.