When the SN was built

[Alan Ford]

Whatever became of Arnold Rowland? Must be in some advanced science field or an eccentric inventor who wishes to be anonymous.

Neither, but you're actually not far off! 

[Charles Collins]

The extraordinary accuracy pertains to the fact that he not just had the presence of mind to take note of the broadcast at the time, he also recalls it perfectly. This allows the event under description to be reliably timestamped:

Mr. SPECTER - How do you fix the time that he was there until the procession reached the intersection of Commerce and Ervay?
Mr. ROWLAND - The police motorcycle was almost in front of me with the speaker on very loud, giving the relative position about every 15 or 20 seconds of the motorcade, and this is how I was able to note that.

I can't think of any civilian witness in the case with this level of attentiveness and recall. Indeed, I suspect Mr. Rowland may have been on the autism spectrum: he gives the impression of that highly developed 'left brain' aptitude that one encounters in some talented scientists, mathematicians, engineers, tech people.

If his testimony were favorable to the official story, rather than a disaster for it, you would be singing his praises. You would be feting him as the greatest witness ever!

 

This allows the event under description to be reliably timestamped


Do you believe that “Arnie’s time stamp” of the motorcade being at Main & Ervay at 12:30 was accurate?

Heck, Arnie didn’t even know that the assassination took place on a Friday, he thought it was Thursday and had to be corrected.

[Alan Ford]

This allows the event under description to be reliably timestamped


Do you believe that “Arnie’s time stamp” of the motorcade being at Main & Ervay at 12:30 was accurate?

As already explained, Mr. Collins, his clear recollection of hearing that the motorcade was at Main & Ervay is what made possible a reliable timestamp.

As for time by the clock, Mr. Rowland expressly disclaimed infallibility here:

"Let me see, the exact time I do not remember, but the man, the colored man, was in that window until the procession reached Commerce I mean Main, and Ervay."

Pure Walter Mitty stuff, eh?

 

[Charles Collins]

There is way more wrong with Rowland’s statements than just that. You are just trying to make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear. If you want and need to have Rowland’s statements in your conversation for whatever reason just do it, but there is no justifying it by picking and choosing parts of his statements you want and claiming you have proven something somehow. What his fabrications in his statement prove is he made up the additional person in the SN just like everything else.

There is way more wrong with Rowland’s statements than just that.


Yes, I agree.


You are just trying to make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.


No, I am trying to make a point (that, as far as the description of the man with the rifle, he got a lot of details right).



If you want and need to have Rowland’s statements in your conversation for whatever reason just do it, but there is no justifying it by picking and choosing parts of his statements you want and claiming you have proven something somehow.


I don’t believe that I claimed to have proven anything. I am simply pointing out why I have a problem concluding that “he made everything up” when it appears to me that he got quite a bit of it right. And when it appears that he told others about it right away.


What his fabrications in his statement prove is he made up the additional person in the SN just like everything else.


I disagree. I think his wife said that he sometimes exaggerates some things in order to make himself look smarter than he is. And I think that tendency of his affected his testimony. Some of the details that he claimed to remember were way more that anybody that I have ever known could have possibly remembered. And I have know some highly intelligent people, some of whom did have what would be called a “photographic memory.” And it is typical for those of us who are human (all of us) to misremember some things quite often.

[Charles Collins]

As already explained, Mr. Collins, his clear recollection of hearing that the motorcade was at Main & Ervay is what made possible a reliable timestamp.

As for time by the clock, Mr. Rowland expressly disclaimed infallibility here:

"Let me see, the exact time I do not remember, but the man, the colored man, was in that window until the procession reached Commerce I mean Main, and Ervay."

Pure Walter Mitty stuff, eh?

 

When you consider that after that he said this:


Mr. SPECTER - Over how long a time span did you observe the Negro man to be in the window marked "A"?
Mr. ROWLAND - He was there before I noticed the man with the rifle and approximately 12:30 or when the motorcade was at Main and Ervay he was gone when I looked back and I had looked up there about 30 seconds before or a minute before.
Mr. SPECTER - How long after you heard the motorcade was at Main and Ervay did the motorcade pass by where you were?
Mr. ROWLAND - Another 5 minutes.


His accuracy is eight freaking minutes off…

[Alan Ford]

When you consider that after that he said this:


Mr. SPECTER - Over how long a time span did you observe the Negro man to be in the window marked "A"?
Mr. ROWLAND - He was there before I noticed the man with the rifle and approximately 12:30 or when the motorcade was at Main and Ervay he was gone when I looked back and I had looked up there about 30 seconds before or a minute before.
Mr. SPECTER - How long after you heard the motorcade was at Main and Ervay did the motorcade pass by where you were?
Mr. ROWLAND - Another 5 minutes.


His accuracy is eight freaking minutes off…

Was Mr. Rowland given a chance to read the transcript and make any corrections?

[Jack Nessan]

There is way more wrong with Rowland’s statements than just that.


Yes, I agree.


You are just trying to make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.


No, I am trying to make a point (that, as far as the description of the man with the rifle, he got a lot of details right).



If you want and need to have Rowland’s statements in your conversation for whatever reason just do it, but there is no justifying it by picking and choosing parts of his statements you want and claiming you have proven something somehow.


I don’t believe that I claimed to have proven anything. I am simply pointing out why I have a problem concluding that “he made everything up” when it appears to me that he got quite a bit of it right. And when it appears that he told others about it right away.


What his fabrications in his statement prove is he made up the additional person in the SN just like everything else.


I disagree. I think his wife said that he sometimes exaggerates some things in order to make himself look smarter than he is. And I think that tendency of his affected his testimony. Some of the details that he claimed to remember were way more that anybody that I have ever known could have possibly remembered. And I have know some highly intelligent people, some of whom did have what would be called a “photographic memory.” And it is typical for those of us who are human (all of us) to misremember some things quite often.

" I am trying to make a point (that, as far as the description of the man with the rifle, he got a lot of details right).”
 
“I don’t believe that I claimed to have proven anything. I am simply pointing out why I have a problem concluding that “he made everything up” when it appears to me that he got quite a bit of it right. And when it appears that he told others about it right away.”
 
“I disagree. I think his wife said that he sometimes exaggerates some things in order to make himself look smarter than he is. And I think that tendency of his affected his testimony. Some of the details that he claimed to remember were way more that anybody that I have ever known could have possibly remembered. And I have know some highly intelligent people, some of whom did have what would be called a “photographic memory.” And it is typical for those of us who are human (all of us) to misremember some things quite often.”

 

You mean like this from the original A Rowland 11/22 Sheriff’s Affidavit:

“It must have been 5 or 10 minutes later when we were just looking at the surroudding [sic] buildings when I looked up at the Texas Book [cross-out -- Suppository?] building and noticed that the second floor from the top had two adjoining windows which were open, and upon looking I saw what I thought was a man standing back about 15 feet from the windows and was holding in his arms what appeared to be a hi [sic] powered rifle because it looked like it had a scope on it. He appeared to be holding this at a parade rest sort of position. “

 

Arnold states the person with the rifle is 15 feet back, (not 4 feet,) from the window and holding the rifle both in his arms and then changes it to “at a Parade Rest position” in the next sentence. 

The 3D Model is nothing more than an artist’s depiction of a man in the window, without regard for the description of the man and the rifle in the window, or the subsequent dimensions of the window.