Re: Motorcycle Policeman Hargis said Limo stopped !

[Jack Trojan]

Where did Zapruder say the he didn't recall stopping and re-starting the film?

You'd reject any transcript I provided a link to so I won't bother. Besides, we don't need Zapruder's testimony. There is a "First Frame Over-Exposure" effect that is missing in the jump cut that removed the turn onto Elm. This occurs when you stop and start film. Since this frame was not present, the jump cut at frame 132-133 was not the result of stopping/starting the camera and this was not the original film. QED.

Newsweek never had the film. The original (and a first generation copy) was owned/purchased by Time/Life magazine.

I was throwing Newsweek back at the poster who claimed this. Otherwise, who cares who received a COPY of the Z film? They certainly didn't receive nor damage the original.

Where did you get this information that over a hundred frames were damaged? And where is your information as to which frames were damaged?

I'm extrapolating how many frames must have been cut between frames 132-133 based on the position of the limo and its speed and the frame rate of 18 fps.

From what I've read, Time/Life said the ORIGINAL was damaged (a few frames but not over a hundred). So they took the frames from the first generation copy they had and added or spliced them to the original. Nothing was removed or taken out.

How would you or any of them know they were working with the original?

[Mitch Todd]

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I was throwing Newsweek back at the poster who claimed this. Otherwise, who cares who received a COPY of the Z film? They certainly didn't receive nor damage the original.

I'm the guy you were replying to at the time, yet I didn't mention Newsweek.

Just for shoots and googles, I used the site search engine to find the string "newsweek." All I got back was you bringing up Newsweek, and others quoting and/or replying to your claim.

[Jack Trojan]

I'm the guy you were replying to at the time, yet I didn't mention Newsweek.

Just for shoots and googles, I used the site search engine to find the string "newsweek." All I got back was you bringing up Newsweek, and others quoting and/or replying to your claim.

Then I suppose you were the one who corrected your post before I quoted you. I don't recall because whoever received a copy of the Z-film, and damaged it, is irrelevant.

But what about the rest of my post? Or is that all you got as a rebut?

[Matt Grantham]

My suggestion is that you said something based on a either a vague memory of something someone else said at some point in the past or a memory of something vague that someone said, also in the past. Either way, you didn't remember the original source, and may not have ever known the original source other than via someone else's commentary about it. I suspect that you believed it when you said it, but when called on it, the underlying knowledge was a bit more nebulous than you'd first figured.

I give you a lot of credit for coming clean. This kind of thing happens more than we like to realize. Lots of people would simply try to bullshit their way out; you didn't.

 I appreciate that you recognizing coming clean with a failed claim as a positive Kudos to you as well for just not attacking my lack of being able to produce a reference for a claim

[Michael Walton]

This is pretty good evidence that the limo slowed down but it did not come to a complete stop. Watch in the upper right of the Nix film.  As the cyclist is trying to keep pace with the car and the head shot hits, he suddenly slams on his brake.  You can tell because the shock absorber bounces as he stops.

The limo though never stops, just slows down then speeds up and lucky for Hill he was running at full trot to grab on.

FWIW - I've used this video ad nauseum to prove that the Z film is original and not doctored in any way. But of course the crazies out there always disagree with that assessment.

[Matt Grantham]

 Obviously if there was significant slowing that is not captured  in the Zapruder film that would seem to lead to the conclusion of less frames are there than should be

[Michael Walton]

Obviously if there was significant slowing that is not captured  in the Zapruder film that would seem to lead to the conclusion of less frames are there than should be

Matt, they match up.  Perfectly. If you think otherwise, more power to you.