From the outside looking in...

[Richard Smith]

But, but don't you understand?   BRW "would have been able" to see somebody standing behind the southwest window.  A contrarian said so.   HA HA HA.  How that is relevant is unclear because someone clearly was in the SN window pointing a rifle at 12:30.  How this logic rules Oswald out is left unsaid.

[Charles Collins]

Answer the question.....  Was DP # 5 taken on the afternoon of the murder?

Here's a diagram prepared by Studebaker on 11/22/63:




Here's some additional verbage, found on page 147, regarding this map:

"The numbers represented on the map at first glance appear to represent the order of the photographs taken by Lieutenant Day and Detective Studebaker. This is not the case. Rusty and I asked both men to look at the map again in a recent interview and were told that the photographs were not taken in the numerical order shown on the map. The numbers simply represent a system of organization of the photographs assigned by Detective Studebaker. In fact it appears that the numbers assigned to the photographs by Detective Studebaker fall into three basic groups which include the sniper's nest area, the area where the rifle was found, and the remaining entire area of the sixth floor."

Looking closer at the photographs, it appears to me (based on the sunlight patches and shadows) that DP-6 and DP-7 were taken on the afternoon of 11/22/63. However it does appear that DP-4, DP-5, DP-8, DP-9, and DP-10 were probably taken the next morning (if I remember their stated activities of Saturday correctly). I stand corrected, thank you Walt.

However, your jumping to conclusions that there was a staged set up for some imagined sinister purpose doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever.

Edit: Also, the location of the rifle in this diagram appears to agree better with the photos.

[Walt Cakebread]

Here's a diagram prepared by Studebaker on 11/22/63:




Here's some additional verbage, found on page 147, regarding this map:

"The numbers represented on the map at first glance appear to represent the order of the photographs taken by Lieutenant Day and Detective Studebaker. This is not the case. Rusty and I asked both men to look at the map again in a recent interview and were told that the photographs were not taken in the numerical order shown on the map. The numbers simply represent a system of organization of the photographs assigned by Detective Studebaker. In fact it appears that the numbers assigned to the photographs by Detective Studebaker fall into three basic groups which include the sniper's nest area, the area where the rifle was found, and the remaining entire area of the sixth floor."

Looking closer at the photographs, it appears to me (based on the sunlight patches and shadows) that DP-6 and DP-7 were taken on the afternoon of 11/22/63. However it does appear that DP-4, DP-5, DP-8, DP-9, and DP-10 were probably taken the next morning (if I remember their stated activities of Saturday correctly). I stand corrected, thank you Walt.

However, your jumping to conclusions that there was a staged set up for some imagined sinister purpose doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever.

Edit: Also, the location of the rifle in this diagram appears to agree better with the photos.

"The numbers represented on the map at first glance appear to represent the order of the photographs taken by Lieutenant Day and Detective Studebaker. This is not the case. Rusty and I asked both men to look at the map again in a recent interview and were told that the photographs were not taken in the numerical order shown on the map.

   Ha ha ha ha LOL!.....   WHO???   Would be gullible enough to believe this BS!

[Charles Collins]

"The numbers represented on the map at first glance appear to represent the order of the photographs taken by Lieutenant Day and Detective Studebaker. This is not the case. Rusty and I asked both men to look at the map again in a recent interview and were told that the photographs were not taken in the numerical order shown on the map.

   Ha ha ha ha LOL!.....   WHO???   Would be gullible enough to believe this BS!

It must not fit very well with your imagined sinister ideas…

[Walt Cakebread]

It must not fit very well with your imagined sinister ideas…

Question....  HOW would the photographer know where the photo was taken if he didn't keep a record??

[Jerry Freeman]

Says the guy who is desperately trying to pass off his highly selective opinions as if they were facts.

Here is a fact that can not be denied; nowhere in Charles Collins' word salad is there even a slightest shred of evidence that Oswald was on the 6th floor between 12 and 12:30 and/or that he was the man the witnesses saw, believed they saw or imagined they saw.

This entire self-serving thread isn't going anywhere fast.

Soon after he arrives on the first floor, Charles Givens realizes that he left his cigarettes in his jacket on the sixth floor and so he takes the east elevator back up to the sixth floor to retrieve them. As Givens is on the sixth floor and returning to the east elevator, he sees LHO walking from the area of the southeast corner towards him. LHO is carrying a clipboard (apparently trying to make it appear like he is working). LHO again asks for Givens to close the gates to the west elevator when Givens gets to the first floor.
Mr. BELIN. What time was this?
Mr. GIVENS. Well, I would say it was about 5 minutes to 12, …

In spite of the fact that this story didn't come along until months after the assassination and that it was not heard by the Warren Commissioners but was entered into the report anyway and that the FBI and the Dallas Police were not aware of it and that it did not appear in any of Givens' affidavits and that these contradictions have been pointed out several times on this forum and ***Lt Jack Revill a Dallas police detective revealed that Givens had a previous drug charge and that "Givens would change his story for money"--- that it is ignored by the Oswald did it crowd here including the completely purposeless opening post....   Collins is a Warren tale believer..everybody knows it so again what is the objective? So try going inside and looking out for a change
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[Charles Collins]

Question....  HOW would the photographer know where the photo was taken if he didn't keep a record??

No one said they didn't keep a record. What the quote says is simply that the numbering system used by Studebaker on his map is not organized chronologically relative to the ascension of the numbers.