The Position of the Bolt on the MC

[Walt Cakebread]

Then the headlines  would have been:   Assassin Shot Before He Could Escape....... Case closed


Exactly, that’s why I said that it would be a better way to frame someone than planting a rifle.

But if the sucker didn't co-operate ..... then what?   

Since Lee was not on the sixth floor to be shot while trying to escape, he foiled that part of their plot....I'm not sure who the guy was who Baker and Truly encountered on either the third or fourth floor but he may have been the "alert law officer" who was assigned to kill Oswald.  ( of course he couldn't do his job because Lee wasn't there)   They had to have the mute evidence of the spent shells and the rifle to pin the assassination on Lee Oswald.  If only they could have had the dead body.......Case Closed.....

[Charles Collins]

But if the sucker didn't co-operate ..... then what?   

Since Lee was not on the sixth floor to be shot while trying to escape, he foiled that part of their plot....I'm not sure who the guy was who Baker and Truly encountered on either the third or fourth floor but he may have been the "alert law officer" who was assigned to kill Oswald.  ( of course he couldn't do his job because Lee wasn't there)   They had to have the mute evidence of the spent shells and the rifle to pin the assassination on Lee Oswald.  If only they could have had the dead body.......Case Closed.....

But if the sucker didn't co-operate ..... then what?   


I answered a hypothetical question with a hypothetical answer. And I said that the details are up to others. That includes contingencies.

[John Iacoletti]

Their tactic was similar to Hitler and Goebbels. A lie repeated often enough comes to be believed.

Sorry, but the Big Lie was the one the Warren Commission told.

[Walt Cakebread]

Sorry, but the Big Lie was the one the Warren Commission told.

Yes..... And I believe that lie is bigger than anything Hitler presented.

Those who refer to the committee as the "Warren Commission"   are avoiding the fact that the organization was hand picked by LBJ.   He said that it was his "Special hand picked blue ribbon committee". And their mission was to convince the public that Lee Harrrrrrvey Ossssssswald  ( Boooo!! Hisssss!!) was just a lone nut who had murdered president Kennedy for no reason, and he had no accomplices.

[Zeon Mason]

 If the photo of the rifle between the boxes is legit, then even after a box was moved out of the way, the remaining boxes apparently were applying enough force on the rifle to keep it from rotating from vertical to flat on the ground.

So there seems to be  really only 2 possibilities to explain the flat laying rifle in Tom Aleya’s film sequence

1. At least one MORE box was moved just AFTER the photo was taken but just BEFORE Tom Aleya films Lt.Day lifting  rifle up, the result causing the rifle the to fall over flat.

2. The rifle was moved from some other location or was brought to the 6th floor to be filmed by Aleya as laying flat at the location of the boxes. The photograph of the rifle was then taken LATER to.establish a false timeline of the rifle discovered at 1:22pm.   

If no.1 , then there is a dishonest account given that there was no disturbance of the scene between the rifle photographed and the rifle then lifted by Lt.Day.

If no.2 then there is outright conspiracy.

Either way , there is reasonable doubt about the veracity of the account of the rifle being found, where and when it was found.

[Dan O'meara]

If the photo of the rifle between the boxes is legit, then even after a box was moved out of the way, the remaining boxes apparently were applying enough force on the rifle to keep it from rotating from vertical to flat on the ground.

So there seems to be  really only 2 possibilities to explain the flat laying rifle in Tom Aleya’s film sequence

1. At least one MORE box was moved just AFTER the photo was taken but just BEFORE Tom Aleya films Lt.Day lifting  rifle up, the result causing the rifle the to fall over flat.

2. The rifle was moved from some other location or was brought to the 6th floor to be filmed by Aleya as laying flat at the location of the boxes. The photograph of the rifle was then taken LATER to.establish a false timeline of the rifle discovered at 1:22pm.   

If no.1 , then there is a dishonest account given that there was no disturbance of the scene between the rifle photographed and the rifle then lifted by Lt.Day.

If no.2 then there is outright conspiracy.

Either way , there is reasonable doubt about the veracity of the account of the rifle being found, where and when it was found.

1. At least one MORE box was moved just AFTER the photo was taken but just BEFORE Tom Aleya films Lt.Day lifting  rifle up, the result causing the rifle the to fall over flat.

A while back I found every piece of Alyea footage I could about the discovery of the rifle and cobbled this together:

It opens with Fritz entering the area where the rifle was hidden and there is a shot of the rifle in the upright position. Below is a clearer pic:



This was taken before Day slid the rifle out of its original position and picked it up as shown in the Alyea footage, where it appears to be lying flat.
It is my opinion boxes where moved to allow Fritz and Day access into the rifle hiding area. Otherwise the rifle would've been easily seen.

[Walt Cakebread]

1. At least one MORE box was moved just AFTER the photo was taken but just BEFORE Tom Aleya films Lt.Day lifting  rifle up, the result causing the rifle the to fall over flat.

A while back I found every piece of Alyea footage I could about the discovery of the rifle and cobbled this together:

It opens with Fritz entering the area where the rifle was hidden and there is a shot of the rifle in the upright position. Below is a clearer pic:



This was taken before Day slid the rifle out of its original position and picked it up as shown in the Alyea footage, where it appears to be lying flat.
It is my opinion boxes where moved to allow Fritz and Day access into the rifle hiding area. Otherwise the rifle would've been easily seen.

This was taken before Day slid the rifle out of its original position and picked it up as shown in the Alyea footage, where it appears to be lying flat.

Dan, How can you verify that the photo was taken before Day "slid it out" and picked it up?

Please look at Weitzman exhibit "E"  and imagine Seymour Weitzman with his face down near the floor and shining his flashlight beneath the pallet.

Would it have been possible for Weitzman to have seen the rifle at that time if it had been standing between the boxes?   



 The camera angle is much steeper than Weitzman's face (which was on the floor) was when he looked beneath the pallet but Weitzman "E" provides a photo of the boxes and pallet where Weitzman saw the rifle LYING ON THE FLOOR.