The Initials Of FBI Agent Elmer Todd Are On CE399 (Hi-Def Photo Proof)

[Martin Weidmann]

So what, Dave? There are plenty of bullet fragments in this case when they hit the skull, shattering throughout the car. Yet, this alleged bullet is supposed to have gone through Kennedy and into Connally, hitting one of the hardest bones in the body, yet comes out remarkably in good shape.

A cop's initials mean absolutely nothing. Put another way, anyone could have said, "Here's a bullet that was found on a stretcher..." handed it to the cop, who put his marks on it. It does NOT mean it was part of the JFK murder.

What's amazing is people like you and others have absolutely no ability to apply even a little bit of critical thinking when it comes to stuff like this in this case. Do you not find it the least bit interesting - to say the least - that a bullet hit the radius bones and looks like it does when they did plenty of testing with cadavers and it shows far worst damage?

Put another way, anyone could have said, "Here's a bullet that was found on a stretcher..." handed it to the cop, who put his marks on it. It does NOT mean it was part of the JFK murder.

That's exactly what happened! And it wasn't only with CE399.

Frazier was given bullet fragments and told they were found in the limo.
DPD officer Hill had several officers initial a revolver he said he was told came from Oswald
Several DPD officers initialed the gray jacket that they were told had been found under a parked car. None of the officers actually handled or saw the jacket in situ.

[Bill Brown]

So what, Dave? There are plenty of bullet fragments in this case when they hit the skull, shattering throughout the car. Yet, this alleged bullet is supposed to have gone through Kennedy and into Connally, hitting one of the hardest bones in the body, yet comes out remarkably in good shape.

I always love it when I see another speak authoritatively on a subject that they (obviously) know nothing about.

The bullet (CE-399) leaves the muzzle of the Carcano traveling around 2100 feet per second.

The bullet, traveling roughly 1700 feet per second, strikes Kennedy in the upper back and exits the neck.

The bullet, now slowed having passed through Kennedy's neck, hits Connally in the back, causing an 8mm x 15mm elliptical wound. This wound measurement proves that the bullet was tumbling when it hit Connally's back, proof that the bullet had passed through something else BEFORE hitting Connally in the back.

The bullet, now traveling at around 1300 to 1400 feet per second, strikes Connally's fifth rib, completely shattering it.  Damage to the bullet was minimal due to the fact that it was not traveling anywhere near full speed when it struck the rib.

The bullet exits Connally's chest and while traveling less than half(?) of it's original rate of speed, enters the right wrist, striking the radius bone.  Again, damage to the bullet is minimal because of it's slow rate of speed when it struck the radius.

Basically, the bullet was traveling fast enough to cause damage to bones, but not fast enough to be damaged by impact with the bones.  Every traveling bullet has a threshold where it is moving fast enough to destroy but not fast enough to be destroyed.  Because it first passed through Kennedy, this bullet was within that threshold when it struck Connally's rib.

The bullet exits the palm side of the wrist and while traveling at less than one-fifth of it's original speed, enters the left thigh and embedding itself in the thigh muscles.  The bullet didn't go any further because it was not traveling fast enough upon striking the thigh.

The bottom line is that damage to the bullet was minimal because, when it struck rib bone and radius bone, it simply had been slowed considerably, moving too slowly to be damaged.  The bullet would have been greatly fragmented (basically destroyed), if when it struck the radius bone in Connally's right wrist, it was traveling at the same rate of speed as it was when it struck Kennedy in the upper back.

(The various velocities I mention above are only my estimates but they should get the point across)

[Martin Weidmann]

I always love it when I see another speak authoritatively on a subject that they (obviously) know nothing about.

The bullet (CE-399) leaves the muzzle of the Carcano traveling around 2100 feet per second.

The bullet, traveling roughly 1700 feet per second, strikes Kennedy in the upper back and exits the neck.

The bullet, now slowed having passed through Kennedy's neck, hits Connally in the back, causing an 8mm x 15mm elliptical wound. This wound measurement proves that the bullet was tumbling when it hit Connally's back, proof that the bullet had passed through something else BEFORE hitting Connally in the back.

The bullet, now traveling at around 1300 to 1400 feet per second, strikes Connally's fifth rib, completely shattering it.  Damage to the bullet was minimal due to the fact that it was not traveling anywhere near full speed when it struck the rib.

The bullet exits Connally's chest and while traveling less than half(?) of it's original rate of speed, enters the right wrist, striking the radius bone.  Again, damage to the bullet is minimal because of it's slow rate of speed when it struck the radius.

Basically, the bullet was traveling fast enough to cause damage to bones, but not fast enough to be damaged by impact with the bones.  Every traveling bullet has a threshold where it is moving fast enough to destroy but not fast enough to be destroyed.  Because it first passed through Kennedy, this bullet was within that threshold when it struck Connally's rib.

The bullet exits the palm side of the wrist and while traveling at less than one-fifth of it's original speed, enters the left thigh and embedding itself in the thigh muscles.  The bullet didn't go any further because it was not traveling fast enough upon striking the thigh.

The bottom line is that damage to the bullet was minimal because, when it struck rib bone and radius bone, it simply had been slowed considerably, moving too slowly to be damaged.  The bullet would have been greatly fragmented (basically destroyed), if when it struck the radius bone in Connally's right wrist, it was traveling at the same rate of speed as it was when it struck Kennedy in the upper back.

(The various velocities I mention above are only my estimates but they should get the point across)

I always love it when I see another speak authoritatively on a subject that they (obviously) know nothing about.

You would know all about that, right?

[Jerry Freeman]

Someone hands Todd a slug and says.. "here- put your initials on this" and Todd does it.
                                                                So what?

The bullet (CE-399) leaves the muzzle of the Carcano traveling around 2100 feet per second....

blah blah
All those trajectories and calculations are derived from where exactly?
Please quote references...If you will.

[Bill Brown]

Someone hands Todd a slug and says.. "here- put your initials on this" and Todd does it.
                                                                So what? blah blah
All those trajectories and calculations are derived from where exactly?
Please quote references...If you will.

Start with Larry Sturdivan and his findings, related to the HSCA.

[Martin Weidmann]

Start with Larry Sturdivan and his findings, related to the HSCA.

Where exactly did Sturdivan say the bullet now in evidence as CE399 (WC) left the muzzle of the Carcano traveling around 2100 feet per second?

In his HSCA testimony, I can see him talking about similarities and differences between test bullets he fired and CE399 but I couldn't find him saying anything about CE399 leaving the muzzle of the Carcano.

You wouldn't have just made that up, like you did with Butler's second "602" call?

[John Iacoletti]

Nobody knows how fast any of the bullets that struck Kennedy or Connally were traveling.