A Lot Of Racket About One Ditched Jacket

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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: A Lot Of Racket About One Ditched Jacket
« Reply #35 on: June 13, 2022, 01:56:55 AM »

Oswald was on Jefferson? Really?

The one jumping through hoops is you. Your already weak house of cards comes tumbling down if Roberts was wrong. So, you desperately need to rely on a woman who wasn't paying much attention, has bad eye sight and only saw Oswald for a few seconds as he walked out of the door.

And Brewer saw him (if it was him) for even a shorter amount of time and from a greater distance.
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Online Bill Brown

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« Reply #36 on: June 13, 2022, 04:33:33 AM »
Again, you're ignoring the fact that Roberts said Oswald was zipping up the jacket as he went out.  This is a specific recall.

Just like Baker recalled seeing Oswald wearing a jacket.

You're comparing the low stress environment that Roberts was in while inside the rooming house with the very high stress environment that Baker was dealing with right after gun shots were fired at the President of the United States.  I find that to be very lame.

Yet another post that ignores the fact that Roberts said Oswald was zipping up the jacket as he went out.

Roberts saw Oswald zipping it up.  That is one difference between Roberts and Baker.

Online Bill Brown

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Re: A Lot Of Racket About One Ditched Jacket
« Reply #37 on: June 13, 2022, 04:36:33 AM »
I love the blatant double-standard here. When did Brennan first mention that the guy he saw was Oswald? When did Carl Day first say he lifted a print? When did Charles Givens first say he saw Oswald on the sixth floor walking away from the SE corner?

Another poor straw man.

A double-standard?

While trying to prove a point, when have I ever relied on Brennan's identification, Day's fingerprinting or Givens? 

Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: A Lot Of Racket About One Ditched Jacket
« Reply #38 on: June 13, 2022, 12:25:52 PM »
You're comparing the low stress environment that Roberts was in while inside the rooming house with the very high stress environment that Baker was dealing with right after gun shots were fired at the President of the United States.  I find that to be very lame.

Yet another post that ignores the fact that Roberts said Oswald was zipping up the jacket as he went out.

Roberts saw Oswald zipping it up.  That is one difference between Roberts and Baker.
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You can twist and turn it all you want, but the bottom line is that you have to rely on a highly unreliable witness to keep a highly questionable narrative alive.

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: A Lot Of Racket About One Ditched Jacket
« Reply #39 on: June 13, 2022, 03:54:13 PM »
While trying to prove a point, when have I ever relied on Brennan's identification, Day's fingerprinting or Givens?

Great! Does that mean you dismiss those things as evidence?

Offline Richard Smith

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Re: A Lot Of Racket About One Ditched Jacket
« Reply #40 on: June 13, 2022, 07:27:26 PM »
So, what's your point?

She couldn't have made a mistake (like Baker and Whaley did) and didn't lie about the zipper on day one, but she did concoct and lie about this police car a week later?

That's some reliable witness, you've got there!  Thumb1:

Henry Wade must have busted for joy when Oswald was killed and saved him from having to go to trial with fruitcakes like Roberts as his best witnesses.

You are falsely equating two different situations.  Neither Baker nor Whaley suggested that they recalled Oswald as wearing a jacket because they remember him zipping it up.  They most likely made this determination because he was wearing his long shirt out and it looked somewhat like a jacket.  He might even have been wearing a jacket after the assassination.  Roberts on the other hand specifically mentioned Oswald zipping his jacket.  Something that could not have been done with his arrest shirt because it had no zipper.  And other witnesses who identified the shooter as LHO placed him in a jacket.  So there are more witnesses than Roberts who put Oswald in a jacket.  But Old Ozzie is arrested a short distance away with no jacket.  He obviously was making an effort to change his appearance because he knew witnesses would describe the Tippit shooter to police as wearing a jacket.

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Re: A Lot Of Racket About One Ditched Jacket
« Reply #41 on: June 13, 2022, 07:48:52 PM »
"Identified the shooter as LHO".  LOL.

"obviously was making an effort to change his appearance".  LOL.