Brown/Weidmann, Mini-Debate?

[Martin Weidmann]

The debate was about what Callaway did first, help load Tippit into the ambulance (as Brown now claims) or get on the police radio (as I claimed)

Let's see what Bill Brown had to say on the subject in January 2020;

Ted Callaway testified that after hearing the five gun shots, he ran out to the sidewalk on Patton.  This was a little over a half block south of the shooting scene.  Callaway saw a man (who he later identified as Oswald) cutting across Patton as he (Oswald) made his way south on Patton (towards Callaway's position).  Callaway hollered out to the man  as the man continued south on Patton past Callaway's position.  Callaway testified that the man was running and holding a gun.  Callaway saw the man head west on Jefferson (the same direction as the theater).

Once the man turned west onto Jefferson, Callaway ran a "good hard run" up to the corner of Tenth and Patton.  Callaway, noticing the stopped patrol car, went to the car and saw the officer (Tippit) lying dead in the street.  Callaway said the first thing he did was to grab the police car radio and report the shooting.  He said he didn't know if anyone had reported it yet, so he decided to report it himself.

To recap, Callaway hears the shots.  Runs to the sidewalk.  Sees the gunman run south on Patton the entire block from Tenth to Jefferson.  Runs the two-thirds of a block up to the shooting scene.  Goes over to the police car and the first thing he does is grab the radio and report the shooting to the police dispatcher.

How much time do you believe passed from the time Callaway heard the shots to the time he reported the shooting on the police radio?

[Martin Weidmann]

No.

This isn't the first time you've grossly misquoted me and/or misrepresented my position.

I have never claimed that Markham must have been talking about the 1:22 bus.

All I have ever said, regarding this, is that all of those who claim Markham was on her way to catch the 1:12 bus have no right to state that as a fact since there was also a 1:22 bus.

In fact, I have been very careful in the past to not claim as a fact that Markham must be catching the 1:22 bus.

Stop misrepresenting what I have (or have not) said.  Cool?

In fact, I have been very careful in the past to not claim as a fact that Markham must be catching the 1:22 bus.

Really?

Markham gets to the bus stop around 1:15 every day in time to catch the bus that stopped at Patton and Jefferson at 1:22.  If true on the afternoon of 11/22/63, this would have her arriving at Tenth and Patton around 1:13/1:14.

And.... I really doubt that the conversation between Oswald and Tippit lasted two minutes.

[Bill Brown]

In fact, I have been very careful in the past to not claim as a fact that Markham must be catching the 1:22 bus.

Really?

"If true..."

[Martin Weidmann]

Markham gets to the bus stop around 1:15 every day in time to catch the bus that stopped at Patton and Jefferson at 1:22. - Bill Brown

I have never claimed that Markham must have been talking about the 1:22 bus. - Bill Brown

[John Iacoletti]

She said she "got her bus" at 1:15, not "got to the bus stop".

[Martin Weidmann]

Evidence please that 602 was “trying to contact the dispatcher to tell him they were en route to the hospital” when he just said “602” and the dispatcher didn’t respond.

“Dale Myers thinks so” is not evidence.

As for a response to John Iacoletti, I'm not ignoring it.  I am trying to find the source.  Some of this stuff I have known for years and have no idea where I first learned it.

Still waiting for you to find the source.....

Btw, if you have known "this stuff" for years, why did you say this, in 2020;

Ted Callaway testified that after hearing the five gun shots, he ran out to the sidewalk on Patton.  This was a little over a half block south of the shooting scene.  Callaway saw a man (who he later identified as Oswald) cutting across Patton as he (Oswald) made his way south on Patton (towards Callaway's position).  Callaway hollered out to the man  as the man continued south on Patton past Callaway's position.  Callaway testified that the man was running and holding a gun.  Callaway saw the man head west on Jefferson (the same direction as the theater).

Once the man turned west onto Jefferson, Callaway ran a "good hard run" up to the corner of Tenth and Patton.  Callaway, noticing the stopped patrol car, went to the car and saw the officer (Tippit) lying dead in the street.  Callaway said the first thing he did was to grab the police car radio and report the shooting.  He said he didn't know if anyone had reported it yet, so he decided to report it himself.

To recap, Callaway hears the shots.  Runs to the sidewalk.  Sees the gunman run south on Patton the entire block from Tenth to Jefferson.  Runs the two-thirds of a block up to the shooting scene.  Goes over to the police car and the first thing he does is grab the radio and report the shooting to the police dispatcher.

How much time do you believe passed from the time Callaway heard the shots to the time he reported the shooting on the police radio?

[Rick Plant]

Not sure why anybody would put the bus time at 1:22 or even after 1:15.

Markham stated she left home about 6 or 7 minutes after 1. Although, she wasn't quite exactly sure. 

Ball asked her what time she usually gets to her bus. Markham replied 1:15. 

Ball then asked her if it was before 1:15. Markham replied "yes it was".

So, according to Markham she got her bus before 1:15.