Brown/Weidmann, Mini-Debate?

[Bill Brown]

The tapes tell us that Callaway made his report to the police dispatcher AFTER the body was loaded and the ambulance was pulling away from the scene.

No they don't tell us that! Why do you stubbornly keep on claiming that when anybody who listens to the audio recordings can hear for themselves that this is simply not true?

what time did the Tippit shooting occur?

I real time? Most likely around 1:09 / 1:10

Now, I have a question for you;

Helen Markham testified that she left home, on 9th street, at about 1:06 / 1:07 and when asked what time she usually got her bus, she replied: 1:15

In the past you have said that the schedule for the bus she took, on Jefferson, showed 1:12 and 1:22 as departure times and you claimed - without a shred of evidence - she must have been talking about the 1:22 bus. Be that as it may, it really isn't relevant, because as far as Markham was concerned, she needed to be at the bus stop at 1:15.

Now, here's the thing; to get from 9th street to Jefferson, Markham had to walk two blocks of each 460 feet each. At normal walking speed that would have taken 2 minutes for each block, so roughly 4 minutes in total. If she left her house at 1:07 she would have gotten to 10th street by 1:09 and to Jefferson by 1:11, perhaps 1:12 at the latest, some three minutes ahead of 1:15 and most likely in time to catch either the 1:12 or 1:22 bus. Even if we assume that she did not leave the house until 1:10, she still would have gotten to 10th street by 1:12 and the bus stop before 1:15.

So, the question is; if the shooting really did happen at 1:14:30 or 1:15, what was Markham still doing at the corner of 10th street and Patton at that time, when she should have been at the bus stop on Jefferson?

If she left her house at 1:07...

Your entire premise is based off of something which I do not believe to be true.  I base that off of the police tapes, which tell me that Markham did not leave her apartment (not a house) as early as 1:07.

[John Mytton]

It concerns Markham. Care to answer it?

Yes, Markham was a very important eyewitness, she positively identified Oswald as the killer of J D Tippit. Markham's clock was never independently verified as being accurate so it's not worth debating and considering a bus came every ten minutes, then waiting for the next bus was always going to be less than 10 minutes so another pointless go nowhere argument. As much as the CT's try to manipulate the approximate times for the Tippit murder, the end result is that Oswald was positively identified and he left shells at the scene which exclusively matched his revolver.

Mr. BALL. What about number two, what did you mean when you said number two?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Number two was the man I saw shoot the policeman.

JohnM

[Bill Brown]

This is crucial information. You started the debate unprepaired?

I wouldn't be surprised if you just got it from Myers and Bugliosi's book and simply accepted it as true without question.

Do you always vigurously defend something that you have no idea if it is actually true or where you first learned it?

All one has to do is listen to the police tapes and it is painfully obvious that Butler reported "602" as they were taking off for Methodist.
 Therefore the assumption (if indeed it was an assumption) that Butler was attempting to report that they were on their way to the hospital is an assumption based on what the evidence tells us.

And if I were you, I'd be careful of attacking Myers and/or Bugliosi.  Just a year and a half ago (not three years ago as you mistakenly claimed earlier in this thread), you believed Callaway had the killer fleeing down the alley, for some reason.  I'm positive Myers and/or Bugliosi never believed such nonsense.

[Mitch Todd]

Correct; meaning Callaway's call took place as the ambulance was leaving the scene.

I value your opinion, Mitch.  Do you agree with that?

The analysis I did is agnostic as to the sequence of events occurred. It stands on it's own for what it is. What it means, and how it fits in is up to you

[John Mytton]

After the Tippit shooting Scoggins tried multiple times to get his dispatcher's attention and finally had a conversation lasting a couple of minutes and the recorded time was 1:23. 

Mr. BELIN. Do you remember whether or not your dispatcher recorded any time on his sheets as to the time you called in after the Tippit shooting?
Mr. SCOGGINS. When I was down there giving my statement to my supervisor, he asked me what time it was, and I said I don't have any idea, so he picked up the phone and called the dispatcher, and he said it was 1:23.

JohnM

[Bill Brown]

The analysis I did is agnostic as to the sequence of events occurred. It stands on it's own for what it is. What it means, and how it fits in is up to you

In my opinion, you have to believe either Callaway made his report on the patrol car radio as the ambulance was leaving... or you believe the ambulance was on the scene for much longer than Butler and Kinsley tell us they were.

[John Iacoletti]

I did assume that the dispatcher made calls to the correct minute. That is a part of his job, after all. If you want to argue differently, you can present evidence to contrary. Otherwise, you're just barking at the moon.

That turns out to be an invalid assumption, given that the supervisor of the dispatchers, James Bowles, is on record saying that the clocks were not precise, were not regularly calibrated or synchronized, and the dispatcher didn’t always say what was on the clock at the time of the announcement.

https://www.jfk-online.com/bowles1.html#ref