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Online Richard Smith

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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #240 on: May 08, 2023, 01:20:10 AM »
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Trump 2024!  The most recent poll numbers confirm that the Stasi-like campaign to stop him at all costs haven't worked.   Ukraine Joe with the full support of the media, political establishment, and and DOJ can't stop Trump.   Magnificent.  No person in modern history could overcome these powerful forces to led in the polls.  Fortunately, the weakness and incompetence of the Biden clown show are reflected in the polls.  Democracy still exists.  Results matter.  Ideology and propaganda can't rule the day.

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Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #241 on: May 08, 2023, 03:45:28 AM »

Trump 2024!  The most recent poll numbers confirm that the Stasi-like campaign to stop him at all costs haven't worked.   Ukraine Joe with the full support of the media, political establishment, and and DOJ can't stop Trump.   Magnificent.  No person in modern history could overcome these powerful forces to led in the polls.  Fortunately, the weakness and incompetence of the Biden clown show are reflected in the polls.  Democracy still exists.  Results matter.  Ideology and propaganda can't rule the day.

Democracy survives. No thanks to Trump. If Democracy is to survive, Trump must lose in November 2024. And he will lose. The people who defeated his candidates in November 2022 will see to that.

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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #242 on: May 08, 2023, 03:45:59 AM »

Spring is coming.

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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #243 on: May 08, 2023, 04:02:57 AM »

You are about to embark upon the Great Crusade, toward which we (you) have striven these many months. THe eyes of the world are upon you. The hopes and prayers of liberty-loving people everywhere march with you. . . .

Your task will not be an easy one. Your enemy is well trained (??), well equipped (?) and battle-hardened (?). He will fight savagely (true enough). . . .

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Gook Luck! And let us all beseech the blessings of Almighty God upon this great and noble undertaking.

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The determination of the Ukrainian people and troops I have full confidence in. Not so much in the will of the free people in the rest of the world in 2023, compared to 1944. The Allied victory is 1944-1945 was assured by the determination of the free people of the world, and good portion of the non free people of the world, in the Soviet Union. Even if Operations Overlord and Bagration both failed, Allied victory was inevitable because of this determination. This kind of determination is not present in the same degree outside of Ukraine, Poland and the Baltic States. And so I truly do hope that we have given the Ukrainians enough support and they do triumph in 2023. I believe they will.

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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #244 on: May 08, 2023, 04:20:38 AM »
The French dug in during the winter of 1939-1940. Indeed they spent all of the 1930's digging in. While Germany trained for offensive battle.

The Germans dug in during the winter of 1943-1944, all along the Atlantic coast. While the Western Allies trained for offensive battle.

The Russians have spent much of a whole year digging in. While Ukraine has trained for offensive battle.

There is historical precedence for Ukrainian victory.

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Where will the Ukrainians attack? I don't know. But there is historical precedence for attacking in the second most likely area.

In 1940, the Germans did not attack in the most likely area, Northern Belgium, through the plains, but in the second most likely area, through the hilly and forested terrain of Southern Belgium.

In 1944, the Allied did not attack in the most likely area, the shortest distance across the Channel into the Calais area, but instead in the second most likely area, Normandy. Further for the ships to sail to, but still within range. Further for planes to provide air cover, but still within range. And with far fewer German troops defending.

The best place for Ukraine to attack is through Zaporizhzhia. It would, largely, cut off Russian troops in Kherson and Crimea from supply. It would be a spectacular victory if these troops had to surrender. But an attack through Kherson would be good enough to likely doom the Russian troops in Crimea. And that would be a good enough victory.

The Russians spent a lot of resources securing this narrow land bridge to Crimea. Because they doubt their long term ability to hold Crimea without it. If this land bridge is cut anywhere, and that cut becomes permanent, the Russians likely will not be able to hold on to Crimea.

I would love to see a successful attack through Zaporizhzhia. But if too many Russian troops are defending there, an attack through Kherson may be the best option.
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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #245 on: May 08, 2023, 04:52:46 AM »
Ukraine war: Russia accused of using phosphorus bombs in Bakhmut
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65506993

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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #246 on: May 08, 2023, 04:31:23 PM »
Stalemate for as long as it takes appears to be the Biden plan.  The war must go on and on.  No one even knows why or the basis of any settlement other than Russian surrender.  Something that the Ukrainians can't force.  So the money will flow by the billions, the citizens of Ukraine and Russia will continue to die in the tens of thousands for months or years to come for no apparent reason, and when all is said and done nothing will have been achieved just as in Iraq and Afghanistan where the very same policy hawks lied to keep those wars going for decades.

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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #247 on: May 08, 2023, 04:52:48 PM »
Stalemate for as long as it takes appears to be the Biden plan.  The war must go on and on.  No one even knows why or the basis of any settlement other than Russian surrender.  Something that the Ukrainians can't force.  So the money will flow by the billions, the citizens of Ukraine and Russia will continue to die in the tens of thousands for months or years to come for no apparent reason, and when all is said and done nothing will have been achieved just as in Iraq and Afghanistan where the very same policy hawks lied to keep those wars going for decades.

I think there will eventually be a ceasefire and it will become a frozen conflict like the Korean war...