Colors of Blue and Gold

[Richard Smith]

And where did I mention Hitler in post #289?

This is a blatant falsehood.  You weren't speaking just for yourself.

Pathetic! Who else would I be speaking for?

You said that "nobody" is saying Russia will overrun "Europe."  That is a demonstrable lie.

No. It's a figure of speech which expresses an opinion. That isn't lying.

It would only have been a lie if I had checked with everyone and knew for sure that some did in fact say that. Are you really foolish enough to actually think I had checked with every one?

Your desperation to turn an expressed opinion into a lie says everything we need (and want) to know about you.

Rabbit hole nonsense.  Leftists and right wing war mongers have used Hitler and WWII as the primary example for why Putin needs to be confronted in Ukraine (i.e. the West should have confronted Hitler before WWII. Failure to do so resulted in Hitler overrunning "Europe:).  That is a demonstrable fact.  I provided an example from this very thread but it is also a widely expressed justification for this endless war.  In response you said the following:

"Nobody is saying that Russia will overrun Europe, because they won't. They don't have the guts or the means to take on NATO."

This statement is a blatant falsehood.  In your defense you bizarrely argued that YOU had never made the claim that Russia would overrun "Europe."  But your statement was that NOBODY had made this claim.   Now that your lie has been exposed you are trying to move the goal posts yet again.

[Rick Plant]

Rabbit hole nonsense.  Leftists and right wing war mongers have used Hitler and WWII as the primary example for why Putin needs to be confronted in Ukraine (i.e. the West should have confronted Hitler before WWII. Failure to do so resulted in Hitler overrunning "Europe:).  That is a demonstrable fact.  I provide an example from this very thread but is a widely expressed justification for this endless war.  In response you said the following:

"Nobody is saying that Russia will overrun Europe, because they won't. They don't have the guts or the means to take on NATO."

This statement is a blatant falsehood.  In your defense you bizarrely argued that YOU had never made the claim that Russia would overrun "Europe."  But your statement was that NOBODY had made this claim.   Now that your lie has been exposed you are trying to move the goal posts yet again.

"Endless war".

Putin can end his war anytime he wants but refuses.

World leaders are not going to allow Puitin to take Ukraine.     

[Richard Smith]

"Endless war".

Putin can end his war anytime he wants but refuses.

World leaders are not going to allow Puitin to take Ukraine.   

Finally some wisdom!!!!  Putin can end this war.  But who can't?  Ukraine or Old Joe.  So it is endless from the American perspective just as Vietnam and Afghanistan were endless and pointless.  We can't force an end to it.  Our adversaries control that decision.  And what happens if the creeping pattern of escalation continues?  Just like in Vietnam.  Old Joe wasn't going to send in the missile systems.  Then did.  Old Joe wasn't going to send tanks.  Then he did.  Old Joe wasn't going to send F16s.  Then he did.  What happens when Zelensky demands NATO ground forces?  We know how that goes from the long track record.  The advisors will go in first.  They are already there according to many media outlets.  Then the NATO troops will slowly be sent in for support roles, then combat roles.  The US will, as always, bear the brunt of that effott while "Europe" laughs at us.

[Rick Plant]

It's refreshing to have a leader as President again instead of a Russian stooge like Donnie selling out America and our allies to Putin.

Biden tells G7 leaders he supports joint training for Ukrainians on F-16s
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-tells-7-leaders-supports-joint-training-ukrainians/story?id=99458369

[Jon Banks]

Ukraine in unlikely to get F16s this year.

By this time next year, Americans will be focused on the 2024 election.

Big political gamble for Biden if the war worsens for Ukraine between now and then.

[Richard Smith]

It's refreshing to have a leader as President again instead of a Russian stooge like Donnie selling out America and our allies to Putin.

Biden tells G7 leaders he supports joint training for Ukrainians on F-16s
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-tells-7-leaders-supports-joint-training-ukrainians/story?id=99458369

A cautionary tale.  Old Joe has been resisting the provision of F16s.  The creeping escalation suggests that everything is on the table for the war mongers going forward including US ground troops.  Maybe that is the objective.  A war with Russia.  Right wing extremists have wanted that for decades, but they did not have the support of Dems.  Now the obsessive hatred of Dems for Trump means everything is on the table.  The ends justify any means.  Even WWIII can't be ruled out if it harms Trumps chances in 2024.  That is the level of insanity that we have reached in New America.

[Jon Banks]

The only way to get Russia out of Ukraine is for NATO to threaten to start World War 3.

Ukraine alone can’t beat Russia. Anyone who says otherwise is gaslighting…