Colors of Blue and Gold

[Martin Weidmann]

LOL. Rabbit hole here we come.  This thread is available for anyone to read.

Yes, so why waste their time by not pointing out where I said it?

Just the number of the message will do.... Go on then!

[Richard Smith]

Yes, so why waste their time by not pointing out where I said it?

Just the number of the message will do.... Go on then!

Post #289 in this thread. 

"Nobody is saying that Russia will overrun Europe, because they won't. They don't have the guts or the means to take on NATO."

This is a blatant falsehood.  You weren't speaking just for yourself.  You said that "nobody" is saying Russia will overrun "Europe."  That is a demonstrable lie.  One of the primary arguments for supporting Ukraine in this war by leftists and right-wing war mongers is not to repeat the mistake of WWII by appeasing Hitler.   A poster on this board has repeatedly made that claim.  You know that are now running away again instead of apologizing for your dishonesty or ignorance of the facts. 

[Richard Smith]

The creeping escalation of force continues in Ukraine with Old Joe has now agreeing to send F-16s.  This is a repeat of Vietnam.  Incremental military escalation as the objective fails to be achieved.  Eventually the decision will have to be made to send in American ground troops.  As in Vietnam, and with the weapons systems already sent to Ukraine, the US government will deny that it plans to do so then it will send them in.  A catastrophe that will play out for years absent dumb luck like Putin having a heart attack.

[Richard Smith]

The creeping escalation of force continues in Ukraine with Old Joe now agreeing to send F-16s.  This is a repeat of Vietnam.  Incremental military escalation as the objective fails to be achieved.  Eventually the decision will have to be made to send in American ground troops.  As in Vietnam, and with the weapons systems already sent to Ukraine, the US government will deny that it plans to do so then it will send them in.  A catastrophe that will play out for years absent dumb luck like Putin having a heart attack.

[Jon Banks]

After a nine month battle, the Russians have captured the city of Bakhmut.

There is no final accounting of losses on either side. Prigozhin praised the Ukrainians defending the city. Bakhmut’s fall came after the most heavily defended part of the city, called the Citadel, fell to Wagner forces after fierce fighting and heavy bombardment by Russian artillery.

Almost all standing structures in Bakhmut have been damaged severely or destroyed completely. The Ukrainian army actually blew up a number of buildings as they retreated so Wagner forces could not use them for firing platforms. (See brief video here on Prigozhin’s announcement.)

It isn’t clear what next steps will be carried out by the Russian army. On the previous night, Russia carried out another large-scale bombing of Ukrainian targets and also claimed they shot down a number of HIMARS rockets and Storm Shadow cruise missiles.

Meanwhile, the Russians destroyed key bridges to Chasiv Yar, the town supplying Ukrainian forces in Bakhmut and on the Bakhmut flanks. It is possible Russian forces may go after Chasiv Yar as a staging point for a run to the Dnieper River. A lot depends on how the expected Ukrainian offensive develops.

While Ukrainian sources are claiming Bakhmut was unimportant, the long battle over nine months was ordered by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, reportedly against the advice of his military commanders.

There are now unconfirmed rumors circulating on Telegram Messenger, where most of the Russian “mil” bloggers operate, that Ukraine’s top general, Valerii Zaluzhny, may be dead.  He has not been seen or heard from for some days.

Also strange is that Zelensky himself would run off to the G-7 meeting in Hiroshima, Japan just as one of Ukraine’s most important battles concluded. There is a sense, no more than that, that there is substantial political turmoil in Kiev that could change the direction of the country and the war.

https://asiatimes.com/2023/05/bakhmut-has-finally-fallen-to-the-russians/

[Martin Weidmann]

Post #289 in this thread. 

"Nobody is saying that Russia will overrun Europe, because they won't. They don't have the guts or the means to take on NATO."

This is a blatant falsehood.  You weren't speaking just for yourself.  You said that "nobody" is saying Russia will overrun "Europe."  That is a demonstrable lie.  One of the primary arguments for supporting Ukraine in this war by leftists and right-wing war mongers is not to repeat the mistake of WWII by appeasing Hitler.   A poster on this board has repeatedly made that claim.  You know that are now running away again instead of apologizing for your dishonesty or ignorance of the facts.

And where did I mention Hitler in post #289?

This is a blatant falsehood.  You weren't speaking just for yourself.

Pathetic! Who else would I be speaking for?

You said that "nobody" is saying Russia will overrun "Europe."  That is a demonstrable lie.

No. It's a figure of speech which expresses an opinion. That isn't lying.

It would only have been a lie if I had checked with everyone and knew for sure that some did in fact say that. Are you really foolish enough to actually think I had checked with every one?

Your desperation to turn an expressed opinion into a lie says everything we need (and want) to know about you.

[Rick Plant]

The G7 leaders are united with Ukraine.

Ukraine’s Zelenskyy at center of last day of high-level diplomacy as G7 looks to punish Russia
https://thehill.com/policy/international/ap-ukraines-zelenskyy-at-center-of-last-day-of-high-level-diplomacy-as-g7-looks-to-punish-russia/

Zelensky Asks G7 Leaders for More Ukraine Aid
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/20/us/politics/zelensky-g7-japan.html

Biden announces new $375M military aid package for Ukraine during Zelensky meeting
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/4014072-biden-announces-new-375m-military-aid-package-for-ukraine-during-zelensky-meeting/

Zelenskyy hints new Canadian aid package for Ukraine is coming soon
https://globalnews.ca/news/9714201/volodymyr-zelenskyy-canada-ukraine-aid/

Zelensky arrives at G7 summit as world leaders call out China - BBC News

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky made a scene-stealing arrival at the G7 summit in Japan on Saturday.
 
It came as world leaders issued a veiled warning to China against the use of what it called “economic coercion”.
 
His visit prompted G7 leaders to issue their statement early, in which they also condemned Russia.

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