Colors of Blue and Gold

[Rick Plant]

Ukraine war: Russia accused of using phosphorus bombs in Bakhmut
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65506993

[Richard Smith]

Stalemate for as long as it takes appears to be the Biden plan.  The war must go on and on.  No one even knows why or the basis of any settlement other than Russian surrender.  Something that the Ukrainians can't force.  So the money will flow by the billions, the citizens of Ukraine and Russia will continue to die in the tens of thousands for months or years to come for no apparent reason, and when all is said and done nothing will have been achieved just as in Iraq and Afghanistan where the very same policy hawks lied to keep those wars going for decades.

[Jon Banks]

Stalemate for as long as it takes appears to be the Biden plan.  The war must go on and on.  No one even knows why or the basis of any settlement other than Russian surrender.  Something that the Ukrainians can't force.  So the money will flow by the billions, the citizens of Ukraine and Russia will continue to die in the tens of thousands for months or years to come for no apparent reason, and when all is said and done nothing will have been achieved just as in Iraq and Afghanistan where the very same policy hawks lied to keep those wars going for decades.

I think there will eventually be a ceasefire and it will become a frozen conflict like the Korean war...

[Richard Smith]

I think there will eventually be a ceasefire and it will become a frozen conflict like the Korean war...

Which could be negotiated today if there was anyone with a functioning brain in the Biden administration.  For "as long as it takes" is not a policy when you don't define "it" and if "it" means the Russians are defeated on the battlefield and agree to pull out all their forces, that will mean war for years.

[Richard Smith]

Democracy survives. No thanks to Trump. If Democracy is to survive, Trump must lose in November 2024. And he will lose. The people who defeated his candidates in November 2022 will see to that.

So if the voters elect Trump in the 2024 election that is your definition of the end of democracy?  Good grief.  What twisted logic.  Dems have done more harm to democracy over the last six years than Trump ever dreamed.  Who could ever believe that leftists would support censorship, use of the justice system to imprison political opponents and cover up corruption, endless war, and using a pandemic as an excuse to change the election laws in almost every state in a way that was most advantageous to their candidates?  PA has 50 days of early voting!  Which got the folks of that state a Senator who has severe brain damage and was in a mental asylum for more days than he has served in the senate.  Elections were conducted for centuries on a single day - ELECTION DAY.  The votes could be counted, and the winner announced within a day.  Now it takes weeks or months and is fraught for abuse. 

If Dems were serious about restoring confidence in our election and democracy, there would be no early voting and folks would have to go to the polls with an ID.  There was obvious ballet harvesting in 2020.  BOTH Trump and Biden received more votes than any presidential candidate in history.  Old Joe, an 80-year-old political dinosaur who barely left his home, received millions more votes than Obama, Clinton, Reagan, JFK or anyone.  A statistical outlier.  Was the election "stolen" as Trump claims?  No.  I don't believe Dems are smart enough to do that.  Particularly Biden's clown show, but they are smart enough to harvest ballots. 

[Martin Weidmann]

So if the voters elect Trump in the 2024 election that is your definition of the end of democracy?  Good grief.  What twisted logic.  Dems have done more harm to democracy over the last six years than Trump ever dreamed.  Who could ever believe that leftists would support censorship, use of the justice system to imprison political opponents and cover up corruption, endless war, and using a pandemic as an excuse to change the election laws in almost every state in a way that was most advantageous to their candidates?  PA has 50 days of early voting!  Which got the folks of that state a Senator who has severe brain damage and was in a mental asylum for more days than he has served in the senate.  Elections were conducted for centuries on a single day - ELECTION DAY.  The votes could be counted, and the winner announced within a day.  Now it takes weeks or months and is fraught for abuse. 

If Dems were serious about restoring confidence in our election and democracy, there would be no early voting and folks would have to go to the polls with an ID.  There was obvious ballet harvesting in 2020.  BOTH Trump and Biden received more votes than any presidential candidate in history.  Old Joe, an 80-year-old political dinosaur who barely left his home, received millions more votes than Obama, Clinton, Reagan, JFK or anyone.  A statistical outlier.  Was the election "stolen" as Trump claims?  No.  I don't believe Dems are smart enough to do that.  Particularly Biden's clown show, but they are smart enough to harvest ballots.

So if the voters elect Trump in the 2024 election that is your definition of the end of democracy?  Good grief.  What twisted logic.

No. It's an undeniable truth you're just not willing to accept. How can a guy who tried to overthrow a fair election not be considered a threat to democracy?

[Richard Smith]

So if the voters elect Trump in the 2024 election that is your definition of the end of democracy?  Good grief.  What twisted logic.

No. It's an undeniable truth you're just not willing to accept. How can a guy who tried to overthrow a fair election not be considered a threat to democracy?

False premise.  The 2020 election was conducted after the election laws were changed in every single state in the months just before the election.  It produced a statistical outlier - more votes cast for Biden than in any election in US history.   Most of those votes were cast via early voting methods created just before the election.  If the reverse had happened, and Trump was elected in 2020 based upon widespread and last-minute changes in how the election was conducted, the leftists would have staged a civil war.  They spent all four years of the Trump presidency trying to undermine the 2016 election with a false conspiracy theory about Russian collusion.  Trump overstated the situation by claiming the election was stolen.  It was not.  The laws were changed.  So Biden won an unfair election.  There were certainly valid reasons to criticize how the 2020 election was conducted including censorship and disinformation by social media and the justice department to cover up the Hunter laptop story.