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Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: Not a conspiracy theory.....
« Reply #42 on: February 11, 2022, 10:02:19 AM »
Correction note: Sanders saw Baker on the EAST side while Truly went up
The WEST side of the steps

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Not a conspiracy theory.....
« Reply #43 on: February 11, 2022, 05:45:44 PM »
;D

I forgot I should never be flippant with you. When you ask:

"So when an officer sticks a gun in his stomach he thinks what exactly, Mr O'Meara?"

The answer is, nobody knows only Oswald. You don't know, I don't know, nobody does.
What's the point in speculating?
My opinion, at the moment, is that Oswald was deeply involved in the events of that day but I don't know to what extent.
Maybe he wasn't phased by Baker at all as he knew police were going to be swarming the building at some point.
Maybe he was slightly freaked out by Reid, hearing the president was shot.
Who knows?

The following scenario was based on the various statements Oswald was reported to have made:

Oswald is in the domino room having his lunch when Jarman and Norman enter the TSBD
Minutes later the assassination takes place while he is still in the domino room
Oswald goes up to the 2nd floor to get a Coke to have with his lunch
Has the encounter with Baker
Goes down to the domino room to finish off his lunch
Heads outside to watch the parade but misses it
That's why, when asked by Inspector Kelley if he'd actually seen the parade, Oswald answers that he didn't see it.
When he gets to the front lobby he talks with Bill Shelley
As a result of that conversation Oswald decides to leave the TSBD.
On his through the lobby Allman asks where the phone is
When he gets to the door an officer confronts him
Bill Shelley vouches for Oswald
Away he goes


This scenario does a good job of taking all his various statements into account.

Except it doesn't, because it makes zero sense. Your scenario has Mr Oswald having his lunchroom run-in with a gun-toting officer and then hearing Ms Reid tell him the Pres has been shot and then----------going down to the domino room to finish off his lunch before heading outside to (as he somehow thinks!) watch the parade-------only to find to his surprise he has missed it.

Complete nonsense!

Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Not a conspiracy theory.....
« Reply #44 on: February 12, 2022, 01:24:50 AM »
Except it doesn't, because it makes zero sense. Your scenario has Mr Oswald having his lunchroom run-in with a gun-toting officer and then hearing Ms Reid tell him the Pres has been shot and then----------going down to the domino room to finish off his lunch before heading outside to (as he somehow thinks!) watch the parade-------only to find to his surprise he has missed it.

Complete nonsense!

The scenario is based on Oswald's reported statements, as I've clearly stated.
If you can show me Oswald's statements regarding a gun-toting officer and Reid, I'll try and fit those in.
And remember - Oswald stated he didn't see the parade.

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Not a conspiracy theory.....
« Reply #45 on: February 12, 2022, 01:34:50 AM »
The scenario is based on Oswald's reported statements, as I've clearly stated.
If you can show me Oswald's statements regarding a gun-toting officer and Reid, I'll try and fit those in.

So you were never claiming that the 'scenario' below actually happened, just that Mr Oswald gave his interrogators this scenario?

"Oswald is in the domino room having his lunch when Jarman and Norman enter the TSBD
Minutes later the assassination takes place while he is still in the domino room
Oswald goes up to the 2nd floor to get a Coke to have with his lunch
Has the encounter with Baker
Goes down to the domino room to finish off his lunch
Heads outside to watch the parade but misses it
That's why, when asked by Inspector Kelley if he'd actually seen the parade, Oswald answers that he didn't see it.
When he gets to the front lobby he talks with Bill Shelley
As a result of that conversation Oswald decides to leave the TSBD.
On his through the lobby Allman asks where the phone is
When he gets to the door an officer confronts him
Bill Shelley vouches for Oswald
Away he goes"

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Not a conspiracy theory.....
« Reply #46 on: February 21, 2022, 06:36:01 AM »
So you were never claiming that the 'scenario' below actually happened, just that Mr Oswald gave his interrogators this scenario?

"Oswald is in the domino room having his lunch when Jarman and Norman enter the TSBD
Minutes later the assassination takes place while he is still in the domino room
Oswald goes up to the 2nd floor to get a Coke to have with his lunch
Has the encounter with Baker
Goes down to the domino room to finish off his lunch
Heads outside to watch the parade but misses it
That's why, when asked by Inspector Kelley if he'd actually seen the parade, Oswald answers that he didn't see it.
When he gets to the front lobby he talks with Bill Shelley
As a result of that conversation Oswald decides to leave the TSBD.
On his through the lobby Allman asks where the phone is
When he gets to the door an officer confronts him
Bill Shelley vouches for Oswald
Away he goes"

If you have an entire police department breathing down your neck...you will not have the clearest recollection of everything.
The TSBD employees in question will have certainly been interested in only one thing...covering their own backsides.

Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Not a conspiracy theory.....
« Reply #47 on: February 21, 2022, 09:35:50 AM »
If you have an entire police department breathing down your neck...you will not have the clearest recollection of everything.
The TSBD employees in question will have certainly been interested in only one thing...covering their own backsides.

Covering their own backsides?
Surely their only interest would've been to give as full and honest account of their whereabouts and actions as possible.
What do they need to cover their backsides for?

Unless, of course, they need to cover their backsides.

Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: Not a conspiracy theory.....
« Reply #48 on: February 21, 2022, 11:20:29 PM »
It’s starting to approach closer to becoming a conspiracy fact that PM is Oswald given the elimination of Sarah Stanton and all other TSBD employees as plausible candidates.

However the scenario of Oswald colliding with Baker right AT the front door just AS Baker is about to enter into the front lobby seems to defy probability  unless the “Missing the Gorilla in the Midst of Basketball players”  experiment is a plausible explanation for those close by the event such as Pauline Sanders, missing seeing  Oswald while still seeing Baker.