Not a conspiracy theory.....

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Not a conspiracy theory.....
« Reply #28 on: February 09, 2022, 09:32:25 AM »
Literally only one person said they recalled actually seeing Mr Truly go through the front door, and that person had no recollection of a white-helmeted police officer:

Mr. BALL. Did you see Mr. Truly go into the building?
Mr. MOLINA. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Where were you when you saw him go into the building?
Mr. MOLINA. I was right in the entrance.
Mr. BALL. Did you see a police officer with him?
Mr. MOLINA. I didn’t see a police officer. I don’t recall seeing a police officer but I did see him go inside.
Mr. BALL. Did you see a white-helmeted police officer any time there in the entrance?
Mr. MOLINA. Well, of course, there might have been one after they secured the building, you know.
Mr. BALL. No, I mean when Truly went in ; did you see Truly actually go into the building?
Mr. MOLINA. I saw him go in.
Mr. BALL. Where were you standing?
Mr. MOLINA. Right at the front door; right at the front door.
Mr. BALL. Outside the front door?
Mr. MOLINA. Yes, outside the front door I was standing; the door was right behind me.
Mr. BALL. Were you standing on the steps?
Mr. MOLINA. Yes, on the uppermost step.
Mr. BALL. You actually saw Truly go in?
Mr. MOLINA. Yeah.
Mr. BALL. You were still standing there?
Mr. MOLINA. Yes.
Mr. BALL. How long was it after you heard the shots?
Mr. MOLINA. Oh, I would venture to say maybe 20 or 30 seconds afterward


And! Mr Molina would tell the HSCA that Mr Truly was "the only person that I can recall that went into the building while I was standing there". Remember--------the door was right behind him. So: how in the heck could there have been "several people standing around" in the lobby by the time Officer Baker went through the front door? Who could these people have been? And how do we reconcile Mr Molina's account with what Officer Baker told the WC: "As I entered this lobby there were people going in as I entered"?

Once again, there is a simple answer: Officer Baker's same-day affidavit statement is actually talking about several people who were standing around----i.e. still standing around----on the landing. It was here that he had his encounter with Mr Oswald

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Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Not a conspiracy theory.....
« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2022, 05:41:55 PM »
Did we ever get a count of witnesses in the lobby who DID see Truly hook up with Baker?
The following witnesses saw Truly and Baker together

"Mr. Ball: By the time you left the steps had Mr. Truly entered the building?
Mr. Lovelady: As we left the steps I would say we were at least 15. maybe 25. steps away from the building. I looked back and I saw him and the policeman running into the building."


"Mr. Ball: Did you see Truly, Mr. Truly and an officer go into the building?
Mr. Shelley: Yeah, we saw them right at the front of the building while we were on the island."


"Mr. PIPER. I heard one shot, and then the next shot went off---the one that shot him and I got on up and went on back, back where they make coffee at the end of the counter where I could see what happened and before I could get there, the third shot went off, and I seen the people all running and in a few minutes someone came in the building, and I looked up and it was the boss-man [Truly] and a policeman or someone."

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Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Not a conspiracy theory.....
« Reply #30 on: February 09, 2022, 08:04:22 PM »
Not a single one! Which is most curious considering Officer Baker's affidavit account-------------------



Who exactly were the "several people standing around" and how on earth did none of them remember the officer asking them where the stairs were?

There is a simple answer: these several people standing around were not in the lobby but out on the landing, and Mr Oswald was one of them

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There is a simple answer: these several people standing around were not in the lobby but out on the landing, and Mr Oswald was one of them

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How is that simple? It leads to a host of questions and the assumption various people were lying.
The simple answer is that none of the people in the lobby were asked to give a statement about what went on in the lobby.

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Not a conspiracy theory.....
« Reply #31 on: February 09, 2022, 09:13:28 PM »
There is a simple answer: these several people standing around were not in the lobby but out on the landing, and Mr Oswald was one of them

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How is that simple? It leads to a host of questions and the assumption various people were lying.
The simple answer is that none of the people in the lobby were asked to give a statement about what went on in the lobby.

Which people in the lobby? Can you name even one of them?

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Not a conspiracy theory.....
« Reply #32 on: February 09, 2022, 09:21:33 PM »
Some storytelling going on....


Yep! And then there's the remarkably tense moment in the 'London Trial' when Mr Gerry Spence shows Mr Baker the Altgens photograph-------------although we know the man shown in the doorway is Mr Lovelady, Officer Baker obviously does not. He says the man looks like Mr Oswald------and gives no impression that such would be a strange thing. Because he knows the front entrance was where he really encountered Mr Oswald.

And that's the key to the fictitious second-floor lunchroom story: the location chosen was somewhere Mr Oswald COULD physically have reached in time from the front entrance. CYA insurance in case photographic or eyewitness proof should emerge that Mr Oswald really did go outside to watch the P. Parade and was at the front entrance when Officer Baker went running up those front steps.

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Not a conspiracy theory.....
« Reply #33 on: February 09, 2022, 09:35:05 PM »
After Calvary came up, about 3 minutes.

2-4 minutes after shots.

Mr. PIPER. I don't know whether it was a policeman or FBI or who it was, but another fellow was with him.

Lobby count equals zero confirmed.

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Thank you, Mr Beck. It seems Mr O'Meara is still struggling with those reading comprehension issues of his!

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Not a conspiracy theory.....
« Reply #34 on: February 10, 2022, 07:39:59 PM »
 

OSWALD stated that at the time of the search of the Texas School Book Depository building by Dallas police officers, he was on the second floor of said building, having just purchased a Coca–cola from the soft-drink machine, at which time a police officer came into the room with pistol drawn and asked him if he worked there. MR. TRULY was present and verified that he was an employee and the police officer thereafter left the room and continued through the building.
"At the time of the search..." - this is a mighty odd way of saying "Just after the shooting".
Why? Maybe Oswald didn't actually hear any shooting. He see's a cop and presumes some kind of search is underway. Simple.
 Like the Commission...you are trying to reach a conclusion that can't be proven.