A Game-Changing Document

[Charles Collins]

That i don't know. But he first started going to the National Archives in the mid-1990's and has been studying the documents ever since. He was friends with Pete Bagley (of the CIA Soviet Russia division around the time of Oswald) and got his insights on the whole assassination.

Here is what Vincent Drain, the FBI agent that the DPD trusted to take and return the items, had to say to Larry Sneed in an interview:

Earlier in the evening, about 8:00 o’clock, the division chief had talked to me on the telephone and informed me that the FBI in Washington demanded that we bring to them for examination the rifle, the revolver that was used to kill Tippit, as well as the different paraphernalia such as identification cards and other small items that Oswald had on him. I discussed it with the police chief and told him that we’d keep the chain of evidence intact and that I would pick them up there myself and wait for them until they were examined in Washington then bring them back. So it was turned over to us. By the time we got it all boxed up, it was near midnight. Meanwhile Washington was calling down about every fifteen minutes wanting to know where the material was. All of a sudden I learned that neither American nor Braniff had any flights to Washington out of Dallas after midnight. We were told that the FBI in Washington wanted the material by morning if we had to walk it up there. That’s being facetious, but . . .

Now, I really don’t try to tell others who they should believe. But I do encourage others to ask themselves if they have a bias against the authorities. And in this case I encourage others to ask some simple questions about conspiracy theory authors like Blunt, similar to the ones that I asked and received zip for answers. It appears to me that none of Blunt’s allegations make any sense. You appear to have jumped to some conclusions regarding the FBI trying to hide some things.

If folks would just allow themselves to consider that it is possible that the authorities connected to this case were honestly doing their jobs as best as they knew how. And that it is possible that the conclusions that they came to are correct. Then approach the case with an open mind. Then the evidence speaks for itself.

[Gerry Down]

Here is what Vincent Drain, the FBI agent that the DPD trusted to take and return the items, had to say to Larry Sneed in an interview:

Earlier in the evening, about 8:00 o’clock, the division chief had talked to me on the telephone and informed me that the FBI in Washington demanded that we bring to them for examination the rifle, the revolver that was used to kill Tippit, as well as the different paraphernalia such as identification cards and other small items that Oswald had on him. I discussed it with the police chief and told him that we’d keep the chain of evidence intact and that I would pick them up there myself and wait for them until they were examined in Washington then bring them back. So it was turned over to us. By the time we got it all boxed up, it was near midnight. Meanwhile Washington was calling down about every fifteen minutes wanting to know where the material was. All of a sudden I learned that neither American nor Braniff had any flights to Washington out of Dallas after midnight. We were told that the FBI in Washington wanted the material by morning if we had to walk it up there. That’s being facetious, but . . .

Now, I really don’t try to tell others who they should believe. But I do encourage others to ask themselves if they have a bias against the authorities. And in this case I encourage others to ask some simple questions about conspiracy theory authors like Blunt, similar to the ones that I asked and received zip for answers. It appears to me that none of Blunt’s allegations make any sense. You appear to have jumped to some conclusions regarding the FBI trying to hide some things.

If folks would just allow themselves to consider that it is possible that the authorities connected to this case were honestly doing their jobs as best as they knew how. And that it is possible that the conclusions that they came to are correct. Then approach the case with an open mind. Then the evidence speaks for itself.

What you've said here doesn't negate what I or Malcolm blunt have said. The fbi were in an awful hurry to get the evidence on the evening of the assassination, then lies were told about just how much evidence they took.

The fbi had no jurisdiction in this case. They didn't behave this way for other murders that took place in Dallas.

[Gerry Down]

The sequence is bizarre. The fbi took the evidence and then gave it back to the dpd. That's not normal. I think there was stuff in that evidence the fbi did not want the dpd cataloging.

[Charles Collins]

What you've said here doesn't negate what I or Malcolm blunt have said. The fbi were in an awful hurry to get the evidence on the evening of the assassination, then lies were told about just how much evidence they took.

The fbi had no jurisdiction in this case. They didn't behave this way for other murders that took place in Dallas.

LBJ was instructing JEH to stay close to the case and assist as much as possible to help solve it. And JEH instructed his agents accordingly. There is no doubt that the FBI’s resources helped speed up the process. DPD did not have to turn anything over to the FBI. But they decided to let the FBI process some of the first day evidence with the understanding that it would be returned in one day. I am not convinced that there were lies regarding what specific evidence was taken.

This was not an ordinary case by any stretch of the imagination. The FBI was behaving according to how LBJ and JEH instructed them to. These were extraordinary circumstances.

[Charles Collins]

The sequence is bizarre. The fbi took the evidence and then gave it back to the dpd. That's not normal. I think there was stuff in that evidence the fbi did not want the dpd cataloging.

The FBI laboratories routinely processed all kinds of evidence for most any local police department who might need their services. Their top notch equipment and expertise was and is some of the best in the world. It is perfectly understandable why LBJ and JEH would be anxious to get some of the JFK assassination evidence to one of the best facilities that existed at that time. It would be normal for them to return the evidence to the local police departments after processing it. Especially when the local police departments had jurisdiction and needed the evidence back to present in court.

You can believe whatever you wish. But I haven’t seen any credible evidence of what you are suggesting.

[Gerry Down]

The FBI laboratories routinely processed all kinds of evidence for most any local police department who might need their services. Their top notch equipment and expertise was and is some of the best in the world. It is perfectly understandable why LBJ and JEH would be anxious to get some of the JFK assassination evidence to one of the best facilities that existed at that time. It would be normal for them to return the evidence to the local police departments after processing it. Especially when the local police departments had jurisdiction and needed the evidence back to present in court.

You can believe whatever you wish. But I haven’t seen any credible evidence of what you are suggesting.

But the fbi didn't process it properly. They didn't desilver some of the evidence which is why some of lhos cards have red blotches all over them.

Also I have never seen any evidence that lbj was ordering hoover as early as the evening of Nov 22nd to take the evidence. But they surely did talk while lbj was flying back to Washington. What they talked about I'm not sure.

Also, hosty was told not to cooperate with the dpd anymore after that first and only interview he had with lho at about 3pm on Nov 22nd. That to me says rather than trying to help the dpd, the fbi were impeding them.

[Charles Collins]

But the fbi didn't process it properly. They didn't desilver some of the evidence which is why some of lhos cards have red blotches all over them.

Also I have never seen any evidence that lbj was ordering hoover as early as the evening of Nov 22nd to take the evidence. But they surely did talk while lbj was flying back to Washington. What they talked about I'm not sure.

Also, hosty was told not to cooperate with the dpd anymore after that first and only interview he had with lho at about 3pm on Nov 22nd. That to me says rather than trying to help the dpd, the fbi were impeding them.

Also I have never seen any evidence that lbj was ordering hoover as early as the evening of Nov 22nd to take the evidence.

Here’s the next paragraph of Vincent Drain’s interview by Larry Sneed in his book “No More Silence” that I partially quoted in an earlier post in this thread:

Fortunately the commanding general over at Carswell in Fort Worth happened to be a good friend of mine and was head of SAC (Strategic Air Command) at that time. So I called him and was told that the President had asked him to give us all the help that we needed. Another agent took me to Fort Worth where they had a C-135 tanker plane and crew ready.

This should give you an idea of how involved LBJ was regarding getting the evidence to the FBI laboratories.

Who supposedly instructed Hosty not to cooperate with the DPD? What is the evidence of this?