Oliver Stone Talks to Jacobin About JFK’s Killing

[Martin Weidmann]

No scientific evidence-just personal experience.

Klein's shipped the wrong rifle to you?

[W. Tracy Parnell]

Klein's shipped the wrong rifle to you?

Funny. 

In my experience as an older individual, companies in general used to substitute items-I assume to avoid losing a sale because they didn't have an item in stock.

[Martin Weidmann]

Funny. 

In my experience as an older individual, companies in general used to substitute items-I assume to avoid losing a sale because they didn't have an item in stock.

companies in general used to substitute items

In my experience people frequently generalize too quickly.

How do you know what companies in general do? Have you had first hand experience with so many companies that you can justify such a generalization without it being an informal fallacy?

And how does what other companies, or even companies in general, do apply to Klein's in this particular instance?

[W. Tracy Parnell]

companies in general used to substitute items

In my experience people frequently generalize too quickly.

How do you know what companies in general do? Have you had first hand experience with so many companies that you can justify such a generalization without it being an informal fallacy?

And how does what other companies, or even companies in general, do apply to Klein's in this particular instance?

As I already stated I have no scientific evidence (only anecdotal) that companies substituted items when they were out of stock. But I am betting that you have no scientific evidence that they did not do this. So we are wasting time. But I notice that quite a few people waste time here arguing silly matters.

[Martin Weidmann]

As I already stated I have no scientific evidence (only anecdotal) that companies substituted items when they were out of stock. But I am betting that you have no scientific evidence that they did not do this. So we are wasting time. But I notice that quite a few people waste time here arguing silly matters.

But I am betting that you have no scientific evidence that they did not do this.

argumentum ad ignorantiam

So we are wasting time.

Well, at least one of us is. Without any scientific or any other kind of evidence you just threw this out there;

Yes it was quite common for companies to substitute a very similar item in the pre-Internet age.

to give the impression that it was normal for a company like Klein's to send out a different item than the one that was ordered.

I don't consider it to be a waste of time to address such a misrepresentation.

[Richard Smith]

Funny. 

In my experience as an older individual, companies in general used to substitute items-I assume to avoid losing a sale because they didn't have an item in stock.

You are dealing with contrarians that will take the discussion down the rabbit hole of the history of business practices regarding substituting items instead of dealing with the evidence in this case.  Oswald was sent a specific rifle with a specific serial number.  It was sent to his PO box.  He is pictured holding that rifle.  There is no accounting for that rifle except as the rifle found at his place of employment on 11.22.63.  That rifle has the same serial number as the one Klein's sent him.  It has his prints on it.  There is absolutely no doubt base on the evidence that Oswald was sent a specific rifle, he possessed that rifle, and it is the one found at the TSBD.   Even if it could be demonstrated that Klein's was the only company in the history of the world to substitute items, it makes no difference regarding what the evidence demonstrates happened in this case.  The contrarians can't deal with the evidence.  So the rabbit hole deflections are their preference.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

You are dealing with contrarians that will take the discussion down the rabbit hole of the history of business practices regarding substituting items instead of dealing with the evidence in this case.  Oswald was sent a specific rifle with a specific serial number.  It was sent to his PO box.  He is pictured holding that rifle.  There is no accounting for that rifle except as the rifle found at his place of employment on 11.22.63.  That rifle has the same serial number as the one Klein's sent him.  It has his prints on it.  There is absolutely no doubt base on the evidence that Oswald was sent a specific rifle, he possessed that rifle, and it is the one found at the TSBD.   Even if it could be demonstrated that Klein's was the only company in the history of the world to substitute items, it makes no difference regarding what the evidence demonstrates happened in this case.  The contrarians can't deal with the evidence.  So the rabbit hole deflections are their preference.

The photographic experts for the HSCA concluded that the rifle in the photos was the same rifle recovered by the Dallas Police. I know, I know, they don't accept the legitimacy of the photos. Even if they did, they'd reject the photographic analysis too.

I mean, we go round-and-round on this and they just won't accept it.



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